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Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

A new taskforce being set up to analyze Senn High School began its first meeting with debate over the possibility of the break-up of the school to give it a Naval Academy wing.



The Edgewater community saw more tension from within tonight as community leaders gathered for the inaugural meeting of a new task force set up to explore 'improvements' to the neighborhood's Senn High School. But the task force was assembled by local Alderwoman Mary Ann Smith at a time when she has seen much criticism for her support for the construction of a Naval Academy in parts of Senn, against the wishes of students, teachers, and parents.

The early evening meeting held at a cramped room in the Armory adjacent to the gym was packed with fifty community members, including twenty-five who were specifically invited in letters sent out by Smith. Also in attendance was Chief of Chicago Public Schools Arne Duncan, as well as local clergy, academics, former and current Senn teachers, and invited representatives of Chinese Mutual Aid, Centro Romero, and the AIDS Legal Council. But the room was packed with representatives of the Save Senn Coalition, including activists with the Chicagoland Coalition Opposed to Militarization of Youth, the Gay Liberation Network, and three DePaul Students Against the War activists representing Education Not Empire, all of whom Smith noted as "the uninvited."

At the beginning of the meeting, Smith explained that the Task Force was to be formed for eighteen months to discuss how to improve Senn HS. She then noted that "people have different definitions of improvement." The meeting was then handed over to John Horan, Principle of North Lawndale College Prep, who was unable to prevent an informal meeting style. Quickly, members of Save Senn and Senn teachers chided Smith for her failure to invite any faculty to be members of the Task Force, and then that she had not invited either members of the Save Senn Coalition nor student representatives. Smith accepted her mistake and offered to let the SSC and the teachers to select representatives for future meetings. Duncan, Smith and Horan began speaking about community involvement and inclusion.

The first comments quickly drew focus to the planned Naval Academy that would invade one third of a school where most students learn English as a second language and come from working poor backgrounds. One teacher, Rob, asked "Why are you two here talking about community involvement when you weren't a few months ago when you were pushing the Naval Academy?"

"You said you weren't going to make proposals, but you already made the biggest proposal- giving Senn over to the Navy," he said to applause. Horan, wearing a peace sign lapel, attempted to calm down the tight room. A parent asked "Speaking of the future, and how much more money has the Pentagon promised you after the $2.1 million? That's all you're selling out for?"

Horan attempted to facilitate the meeting in the direction of other problems that community members saw. Invited guests mentioned issues of community democracy and distrust rooted in the Naval Academy, while teachers mentioned fears of privatization, union-busting, and consistently raised the issue of the Naval Academy, noting that the community was overwhelming opposed to it.

But local officials who are a part of the Senn Naval Academy Committee in the Board of Education downtown said that it was a "done deal," as other officials begged for the crowd to "move on" and "stop beating a dead horse." The members of the above mentioned committee noted that they have met four times in closed session meetings.

But teachers, parents, and their supporters kept pushing, noting comments by Task Force members in this meeting and pass ones which they found offensive. One member had responded to a question about reading skills for applicants to the Naval Academy with an incredulous "well, they should be able to read."

"My homeroom class has twenty-four students from seventeen different countries. And during open house, the parents come in with blisters on their fingers from working all day," cried one teacher. "To say that they should know how to read, when they already can read in Nepali or Spanish is offensive. Besides, I bet you wouldn't do well in a reading test in Nepali."

Another teacher was offended by a member's comment about the size of the room where the meeting was taking place, who had snarled "And we thought Senn was bad." And she conjured up a past statement by one of the members who had called Senn a "dumping ground for immigrants."

While Horan tried to refocus the discussion on other issues, Smith was ridiculed for listening to business interests like the Edgewater Chamber of Commerce over the interests of those directly involved.

The meeting convened after one and a half hours, with one community member proposing that the Task Force seek a moratorium on the Naval Academy until there could be more discussion and local participation in the process.

Task Force members left the meeting feeling that it had failed in its core objectives, as activists, teachers, and parents with the Save Senn Coalition were confident that they would be able to roll-back the decision.

 
 

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Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

you can center panel this if you really want...;)
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Great story. Anybody take photos? Post em up!
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

As one of those who spoke out against Smith and Arne Duncan at the meeting, I think one thing for certain was accomplished: Smith clearly wants to frame the naval takeover of Senn a "done deal," but the non-business community members present told her otherwise.

Her approach is a Chicago classic: come in with an agenda already achieved (at least in her mind), then propose to "move on" with involvement of a cobbled together "task force" composed of the safe elements who are already on board or will accept her fait accompli. Or so she hopes.

We need to keep the pressure on both within her "task force" charade and in the streets. At least one member of her task force, Lutheran pastor Paul Koch spoke against the navy at the North Shore Baptist meeting, and may be approachable by the SSC. He's at the church on Foster near Paulina.

Mary Ann Smith has provoked opposition previously from historic preservation backers in Edgewater. Daley's darling has a cozy relationship with the developers which has resulted in threats to many historic buildings in the area. Edgewater Historical Society, Kathy Gemperle.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

JROTC is a blessing for this school... you guys are just annoyed when blacks and Hispanics excel in life.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

to 'Whadda':

Why do you hate freedom?
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Do I hate freedom? Nope. I don't hate anything. Not even you. Why, do YOU hate?
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

to Whadda:

If this country put into the inner-city schools even a fraction of the money it puts into the military, a good third of the young blacks and latinos in this country would end up in four-year colleges. Don't believe me? Okay, strip New Trier's budget by 85% and put those North Shore kids into classes of 35 kids with a first year teacher and see where they end up.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

dsw,

You are barkin at the wrong tree. I am in favor of completely privatizing or, at least, outsourcing education. And if it's non-for-profit, then I will settle for churches and military.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

to 'Whadda:'

Why do you hate freedom?
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

The military is paid for by tax dollars - as is education. Let's outsource that as well. Seems to work for Al Qaida. - a privately funded operation, built upon the amassed fortunes of a successful construction and real estate business - whose CEO I might add, remains a strong supporter of religious education, free enterprise and family values. Aynn Rand would be proud.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

D,

The underlying principle of Al Qaida is Islam. The fact the some of its leaders are Saudi tycoons is irrelevant. Now, are you trying to equate pansy-ass Christianity with Jihadist Mohammedanism? Anyway, going back to the original subject: If the education isn't privatized, then I will settle for the military taking over. At least they teach discipline and manners. Virtues that are absent when left-wing unionized "teachers" are brainwashing kids.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

wadda- but some of us are against discipline and manners especailly when it's manners to the rich and discipline to serve in their interests...
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Not just Saudi tycoons - but with historic business ties to the Bush family and US oil companies over the years to boot. As for 'privatized' education - take a good look at the latest scandals surrounding the for profit educational outfits.

Then there's the impact of religious education as an alternative to publically funded schools. You might want to troll some of the latest headlines surrounding the impact of some more notable Catholic clergy/educators on youth -- an approach toward the ins and outs of child rearing that no doubt can be traced back to classical Greek pedagogy. You send your kids, Whadda -I'll take a pass with mine.

As for the US military's capacity for imposing 'discipline' - well there's no question about that as well. It's been on public display for the world for decades now - from My Lai to Abu Ghraib.

Obey orders from your superiors and be all you can be - but just don't get caught on film. Wonder if they'll teach that at the Naval Academy at Senn?
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

I love reading IMC threads that make no sense because half the posts have been deleted. Great job on the free and open debate, you Nazi bastards.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

I am not rich. Heck, I am faaaaaaaaaar from being rich. But if you equate discipline and manners with "serving the rich", then you must have a big problem. What's wrong with hard work, discipline, respect, moderation?
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

The struggle at Senn has nothing to do with 'discipline and manners' -- unless, of course, you're suggesting that Senn students have none, which marks you as just another hopeless right-wing cracker twit. It does, however, have everything to do with how public dollars are spend at Senn -- and most of the community (which coughs up those dollars, I might add) oppose using those dollars for military indocrination instead of education, which has improved vastly in quality at Senn in recent years. Sheesh, go get your own site, you boob.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Mary Ann Smith is a liar and a racist blowhard - I had the dubious honor of meeting her during the zoning hearings. She helped the developers get black and hispanic youth thrown into jail and non yuppie families moved out of her now very valuable neighborhood, so it doesn't surprise me that she would try to get death merchants moved into Senn High. She wants to clean the neighborhood up further!
 

What's wrong with hard work, discipline, respect, moderation?

If they're used in service of the workers, immigrants, people of Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan--all the victims of US imperialism.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

You write, "Smith was ridiculed for listening to business interests like the Edgewater Chamber of Commerce over the interests of those directly involved."

I'd be interested to hear how you're interests are directly involved. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but as a person who actually lives in Edgewater, we view most of you Indymedia types as the ones who have no 'direct interest' and are simply using this as another excuse to shake a stick and bang on a drum in your protest-hobbyism.

The people who own businesses and homes in the Senn neighborhood have more of an interest in this issue that even some of the teachers who come in for a few hours a day, much less a bunch of wanna-be-hippies who seek every chance to prove their uber-morality by reading this website and showing up for every protest they can.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Just look at the comments in this thread as well as the language in the main post; you people don't care about Senn or Edgewater.

You're a bunch of teenagers going off about imperialism and Palestinian rights. Go blow off your ignorant steam at an arcade, did your pot dealer get busted? Why all this misdirected rage?

If you spend more time tutoring kids on the South Side and left us alone to improve our neighborhood, we'd all be better off. Your disruptions, ignorant criticism and moral superiority do no one any good. Where are your solutions? What have you done lately but complain?
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Hey Thread, what was your reference to (tutoring kids) on the "South Side" all about? Did I miss something? How did the south side get into the conversation?
Also, are southside kids the only ones that need tutoring or something? Let me know.
 

Re: Senn Task Force Meeting Becomes Hotbed of Debate

Actually, I grew up and currently live in Edgewater and could give a rat's ass about the current business community's narrow interests - particularly the Yuppie interlopers who have arrived on the scene to pimp the neighborhood - or what that asswipe and Daley toady Mary Ann Smith thinks. ( if she thinks at all ) But I do support the students, faculity and parents at Senn HS, who want to keep the Navy out, and seek real improvements to the school. That's what our community wants - by an overwhelming majority. Thanks to Chicago Indymedia for covering this story.
 
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