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Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Harbor drowning detailed in court
Pushed man 'didn't stand a chance'
By Emma Graves Fitzsimmons and Azam Ahmed

Tribune staff reporters

September 6, 2007

John J. Haley arrived at Montrose Harbor on Saturday morning looking for trouble after a night of drinking, police say. He allegedly told his friends that "some of the fishermen look hot, and they need to go for a swim."

Haley was charged with first-degree murder on Wednesday for following through on that threat by shoving a fisherman into the water, prosecutors said. The 62-year-old man could not swim and died within seconds, police said.

Haley, a 31-year-old repairman from Chicago's Palmer Square neighborhood, was held in lieu of $1.5 million bail Wednesday afternoon in connection with the death of Du Doan. He was also charged with aggravated battery for a similar incident on July 31 in which he shoved another man at the same location.

The charges came after Haley admitted to both incidents in a videotaped statement he gave to police, prosecutors said at his bond hearing.

His friends, who were also questioned, said that right after Doan fell, Haley was laughing and bragging about pushing the man into the harbor, prosecutors said.

"These victims didn't stand a chance," Assistant State's Atty. Maria McCarthy said. "They had no idea what was going to happen to them, and in the case of Mr. Doan, that was a death sentence."

Haley's lawyer, Marc Gottreich, said that Haley did not intend to kill the victim in Saturday's drowning. "We believe the evidence will show my client did not push or intend to hurt this individual in this matter," Gottreich said.

Police said that Haley was at Montrose Harbor with four friends about 5:30 a.m. Saturday to watch the sun rise after attending a party. He began to behave erratically and picked a fight with another fisherman, who is a retired Marine. A friend restrained Haley and persuaded him to leave, police said.

Haley then ran back to the water and allegedly pushed Doan in the back with two hands, "launching him into the water," police said.

Some people nearby tried to help him, but they could not save Doan, a Far Northwest Side father of four.

In the July 31 incident, prosecutors said Haley was drinking with friends when he asked a fisherman for a lighter. The two men had a conversation, and then Haley allegedly hit him in the back of the head and pushed him into the water, McCarthy said.

The man was able to swim to safety and only reported his situation once he heard about Doan's drowning, she said. The victim appeared to have Asian features, but police were not sure of his ethnicity.

The two incidents were not Haley's first run-in with police, and he has shown a clear pattern of aggressive behavior, prosecutors said.

Haley was sentenced to 6 months in prison for a 2001 felony conviction for cocaine possession, court records show. Two years ago, he was convicted of battery for hitting a person in the head with a barbell, prosecutors said.

Police had originally investigated Doan's drowning as a hate crime because the victim in both incidents appeared to be Asian, police said. But they now believe it was simply a random attack by an "out-of-control" man, Lt. Anthony Riccio said.

"We concluded that hate was not an issue," Riccio said. "The motive was, in fact, senseless violence."

Haley appeared Wednesday in court before Cook County Judge Israel Desierto with a shaved head and tan worker boots, and his forearms were covered in tattoos. He bent his head, and his hands were clasped behind his back.

Haley lived with his girlfriend in the 2100 block of North Point Street, police said. He earned a GED and had worked repairing heaters and air conditioners for seven years, Gottreich said.

The four friends who were with Haley at the lake have "terrible criminal records" and made "self-serving statements about my client," Gottreich said at the hearing.

A man who said he was Haley's brother declined to comment on the case Wednesday outside his family's Southwest Side home. A man who was leaving the apartment Wednesday afternoon said that Haley's mother was "upset" and "irritated" by people bothering the family.

Detectives said that Haley is a skinhead, but that he is part of a group that is against racism. He identified himself as a member of SHARP, or "Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice," police said.

The people in this faction are "polar opposites" from the racist skinheads that most people picture in their minds, said Elana Stern, the associate director of the Chicago chapter of the Anti-Defamation League. Skinheads in SHARP are rarely on her radar because they do not target minorities, she said.

Members of a MySpace group called "Chi-Town SHARP" said they despise racist skinheads.
 
 

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Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

I accidentally left out the last paragraph (not that it changes anything):

Their movement is more of a cultural one that honors working-class values, they said. They may shave their heads and listen to reggae music, but they say they have friends from every background.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Now why is Haley's affiliation to SHARP relevant? What's next? Pointing out that he was a vegeterian or a Gemini?
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Why is his association to SHARP relevant? Doesn't it seem just a bit odd that a member of a group that is explicitly anti-racist makes a habit of violently assaulting people of different ethnic backgrounds? I think this story should cause people to be deeply suspicious of the whole "anti-racist" skinhead phenomenon; a thug is a thug, no matter what their political affiliations.
 

Re: Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

So the guys has a violent, explosive temper and was (probably) hooked on something. I still don't see the relevance of his affiliation. Ok, it's good material for the yellow press: a White skinhead killing an Asian guy. (See Chicago Sun-Times)
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Theres an important lesson to be learned here.

Some anarchist guys need to quit imitating right-wing skinheads. That means no shaved heads, scary looking tattoos, alcohol intoxication, leather jackets and other stuff that makes you look like a psycho. Anarchists need to have a positive image. I have an aversion to punk culture because of its creepy side and so do many other people. I'm not saying punk culture causes people to get violent but I do think dangerous people are attracted to punk culture at times and that's something we need to be aware of.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

I believe it's a mistake to conflate punk culture with skinhead culture. Skinhead culture is, as this article points out, inherently thuggish and violent, regardless of whether a particular group is "anti-racist" or otherwise. They're just looking for an excuse to get into a fight.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

See this quote from the other Tribune article posted on CIMC:

The skinhead movement migrated to the U.S. in the 1980s, where it was "hijacked by racists," Potok said. Today, there are both racist and non-racist skinheads, he said. "Now it is more cultural than anything," Potok said. "It is a very macho, bar-fighting type of culture that is into brawling and drinking."
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Well, beside reposting this Chicago Trib article, what have we learned here? That somebody professing anti-racist sentiments can turn out to be a racist cracker? Sorry, but the examples of individuals who claim to hold progressive and anti-authoritarian values, but actually turn out to be stone shitheads are all too plentiful out there. Rating others by appearence and musical affinity isn't a particuarly good or accurate way of making sweeping value judgements. Charlie Manson loved the Beatles, long hair, communal living and good acid.

Mahkno doesn't like skins and just like those bigots he decries, he lumps them together as a group -- ignoring the very real differences that exist within that cultural subset -- ergo, all skins are the same.

Where have we heard this logic before?
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Well, at least you and I can agree that "skins" are a cultural subset; the question is, is this a cultural subset that is, as the Tribune article claims, prone to macho, violent behavior and aggressive posturing? I would have to say yes, but perhaps you know a few skinheads who don't fit that description?
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

What the fuck is up with the cultural stereotying? And since when are we taking the Chicago Tribune's assessment of group composition/dynamics as gospel? One dipshit commits a truly heinous crime, and by default all who share the same "label" are guilty unless proven innocent of the same sort of bonehead orientation. Are you kidding? Effectively, what you said is "name good [insert your targeted/personally despised group of choice here] members to prove they're not all [chose your insult] bad/inferior/not worthy of living/et al."

What a disappointment your positions continue to be, and how sad but unsurprising to see you once again dancing on the rim of inflammatory bigotry.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Thanks for your input, Chris, but you haven't answered my question: Tribune articles aside, have you found skinheads to be a group that is prone to macho posturing, threats, and violent behavior? What do you make of the Chicago Skinhead web site, for example? I've known for years that skinheads had an unsavory reputation, and remember that many cultural stereotypes have an element of truth in them.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

What a yuk. Once again Mahkno puts his own particular elitist cultural perspective on display, and passes it off as meaningful social commentary. And underscsores his own propensity for succumbing to the stereotyping and demonization of the Other so prevalent in the corporate media -- knowing all too well that ARA, Rock against Racism and others in the past have worked for years both in the US and Europe to confront the neofascist, racist and misogynist trends within various music scenes -- not only with skins, but rap and hip hop as well.

If he has yet to meet folks who have been active in doing just this, it may be that he just doesn't get out much, or is prepared to leave his own cultural comfort zone to find out.

And so it goes.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Mahkno says I haven't answered his question: "have you found skinheads to be a group that is prone to macho posturing, threats, and violent behavior?"

Well, let me be direct: NO. Furthermore, you write "remember that many cultural stereotypes have an element of truth in them." You mean stereotypes like 'all asian women are sluts', 'all white girls are sluts', 'all black men are rapists', 'all Mexicans are passive pushovers', what? Which stereotype out there has an element of truth? The stereotype that 'Black people are less intelligent than whites'? That 'women are dumber then men'? Are you fucking kidding me?

I came up in the punk/skin orbit in Chicago of the 70's/80's, and as an habitue of the pub crawl scene, I can tell you I was way more scared as a woman of the drunken yuppie boys on Lincoln Avenue than I was of the guys at the punk bars. Does that make all yuppies leering rapists? I think not.

On the other hand, shall we dismiss the value of the lives of people like Carlo Guiliani [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Giuliani], Ilya Ulgar [http://rsmforum.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=international&thread=1185197994&page=1#1185204808] or the host of other anarchists who've been murdered in recent years because their close cuts and cultural credentials don't comport with the social sensibilities of outlets like the Tribune? Please. Get a clue.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Perhaps I haven't made myself clear. I'm not talking about punks, ARA, anti-fascists, anarchists, or whatever. I'm talking specifically about skinheads, so the links that Chris G. provided aren't really relevant. Sure, skinheads can be anti-racist, anarchist, or anti-fascist; what I'm asserting is that regardless of their other associations, their fundamental identity <i>as skinheads</i> carries some very negative connotations of violence and aggressive, macho behavior. <br><br>

Look up "skinhead" on Wikipedia, and you will find this passage:<br><br>

<i>Around 1965, a schism developed between the peacock mods, who were less violent and always wore the latest expensive clothes, and the hard mods (also known as gang mods), who were identified by their shorter hair and more working-class image.[7] Also known as lemonheads and peanuts, <b>these hard mods became commonly known as skinheads by about 1968.</b>[8] Their shorter hair may have come about for practical reasons, since long hair can be a liability in industrial jobs and a disadvantage in streetfights. Skinheads may also have cut their hair short in defiance of the more bourgeois hippie culture popular at the time.</i><br><br>

Notice how the terms "violent" and "streetfights" are used to define the original skinheads. Now, this same article points out that skinhead culture has branched out quite a bit since then, but I see no suggestion there that it has become any less prone to violence and confrontation.<br><br>

Go back to the Chicago Skinhead web site I mentioned earlier; read the blog entry closest to the top of the page; remeber, these are the progressive, anti-racist skins.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Perhaps I haven't made myself clear. I'm not talking about punks, ARA, anti-fascists, anarchists, or whatever. I'm talking specifically about skinheads, so the links that Chris G. provided aren't really relevant. Sure, skinheads can be anti-racist, anarchist, or anti-fascist; what I'm asserting is that regardless of their other associations, their fundamental identity as skinheads carries some very negative connotations of violence and aggressive, macho behavior.

Look up "skinhead" on Wikipedia, and you will find this passage:

Around 1965, a schism developed between the peacock mods, who were less violent and always wore the latest expensive clothes, and the hard mods (also known as gang mods), who were identified by their shorter hair and more working-class image.[7] Also known as lemonheads and peanuts, these hard mods became commonly known as skinheads by about 1968.[8] Their shorter hair may have come about for practical reasons, since long hair can be a liability in industrial jobs and a disadvantage in streetfights. Skinheads may also have cut their hair short in defiance of the more bourgeois hippie culture popular at the time.

Notice how the terms "violent" and "streetfights" are used to define the original skinheads. Now, this same article points out that skinhead culture has branched out quite a bit since then, but I see no suggestion there that it has become any less prone to violence and confrontation.

Go back to the Chicago Skinhead web site I mentioned earlier; read the blog entry closest to the top of the page; remeber, these are the progressive, anti-racist skins.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

Here's an interesting article on skinheads and violence from the Skinhead Nation web site:

www.skinheadnation.co.uk/skinheadviolence.htm

Although most of the piece is specifically about British skins, some of the general conclusions could apply to the North American scene as well, and there is a quote from a Chicago skinhead near the end of the article.
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

also: That myspace page with the name SHARP on it is not THE "chicago skinhead website".
There is NO such thing as the CHicago Skinhead Website.
its some fake page that people just add to have onm their list on myspace-NOT REAL GROUP.
THERE IS ONLY ONE SHARP GROUP IN CHICAGO AREA, AND IT IN THE SOUTH SUBURBS, (not Blue Island either)
 

Re: Anti-Racist Skinhead Targets Asian Men

JOHNY HALEY WAS NEVER SHARP OR ANTI-RACIST
HE WAS ALWAYS A RACIST NAZI BONEHEAD.
HE WAS RACIST AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE RACIST
 

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