FYI -- This article comes to us from those leftist radicals at Crain's Chicago Business:

chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl

What's the point of unionizing if the company doesn't recognize the union? I say: fire them all. There are enough folks willing to replace these radical-chic misfits.

Kurt,

I am sure you recognize the problems with your first statement; and maybe you're being sarcastic and I can't tell? Obviously, the point is to force Starbucks to recognize the union. Many ways to do this; and with all the press and sympathy the NY faction has been getting, this seems largely inevitable. Moreover, you don't fire people for trying to form a union... that's, um, illegal.

Weren't you the guy in another post calling yourself a 'Libertarian'? If that's the case, I've always had a question - it seems to me that one's ability to form into an association of workers is a fundamental freedom, but one that is necessarily in opposition to 'market freedom'. Where do libertarians (or, really, neoliberals) stand on this issue? And if it's with the latter (which I assume it is) how can an abstract freedom like the 'market' be more fundamental than one's ability to organize and join into solidarity with other real, material people?

Just curious.

In case you haven't already noticed, NRC, Kurt is just a lonely right-wing idiot who spends way too much time trolling on Indymedia trying to provoke people into responding to him. It's best not to pay any attention to him.

Great work! Organize! organize! organize! Your community is behind you!

It's about damn time you people organized in Chicago!

non-rational choice,

"...it seems to me that one's ability to form into an association of workers is a fundamental freedom".

You are absolutely right. The problem though are the contracts these thugs coerce corporations into signing. A contract should be an agreement free of compulsion and coercion between consenting parties.

Kurt the right-wing troll said "The problem though are the contracts these thugs coerce corporations into signing. A contract should be an agreement free of compulsion and coercion between consenting parties."

Apparently, Kurt has never been on the workers' side in contract negotiations, nor read any accounts of said negotiations, nor seen any documentaries or movies where they talk about negotiations, etc, etc. since he obviously believes that there is no compulsion and coercion coming from the management side. Can anybody say "management prerogative" or "no strike clause"?

The first post was not the crain's story, it was the Union's press release. Here are theclips from today's media:

www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0608310158aug31,1,5638083.story

(Published on over 28 news websites, including
the Chicago Tribune, Daily Herald, Chicago
Sun-Times, MSNBC, NBC5 Chicago, Seattle Times,

Union says some sign up at Starbucks

Associated Press
Published August 31, 2006

A union claiming to represent Starbucks Corp.
workers at a handful of coffeehouses said
Wednesday that employees of a Chicago store have
declared their membership, becoming the first
outside New York City to do so.

Baristas at the Logan Square Starbucks store
joined the IWW Starbucks Workers Union Tuesday
night, the union said. They issued a set of
demands that include a living wage, guaranteed
work hours and the reinstatement of IWW baristas
fired for organizing activity.

Starbucks, the world's largest specialty
coffee-maker, often is lauded for offering
generous benefits that include health insurance
for part-time workers. But the two-year-old
union, which has members at seven Starbucks
locations, contends that workers face low wages
and barriers to health care and other benefits.

Seattle-based Starbucks released a statement
saying the company "does not believe the IWW has
meaningful support at any of our stores. While
Starbucks respects the free choice of our
[employees], we firmly believe that our work
environment, coupled with our outstanding
compensation and benefits, make unions
unnecessary at Starbucks."

In March, Starbucks settled an unfair labor
practice charge the union filed with the
National Labor Relations Board, accusing the
company of violating federal law by creating a
national policy prohibiting workers from sharing
written union information or wearing buttons.

The company admitted no wrongdoing in its
settlement, but was forced to post at three
stores named in the complaint detailed notices
explaining workers' rights to organize.

Because the IWW has never formally negotiated
with the company and is not certified under the
National Labor Relations Act, Starbucks contends
none of its U.S. stores is unionized.

Nevertheless, the IWW claims to represent
dues-paying members who have bargained for
certain job improvements.

_______________________
www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl
Crains Chicago Business

Starbucks workers in Logan Square form union
Only location outside of New York to be organized

(Crain’s) — A group of Starbucks employees in
Logan Square have joined a union, the first
group outside of New York, despite the coffee
company’s refusal to recognize organized labor.

The workers at 2759 W. Logan Blvd. announced
Tuesday night that they were affiliating with
the Industrial Workers of the World Starbucks
Workers Union in an effort to increase hourly
pay, have a guaranteed number of work hours per
week and to reinstate employees who they claim
were fired for union organizing activity. Union
representatives declined to disclose membership
numbers.

“We want a better place to work and a positive
workplace,” said Joe Tessone, a Starbucks
employee and co-organizer of the Logan Square
store. “We want a living wage.”

A Starbucks representative was not available for
comment.

Union members are demanding a pay increase to
$10 an hour for entry-level workers from the
current $7.50 an hour in addition to guaranteed
minimum hours and healthcare benefits.

“There are no minimum hours and that’s the
problem,” Mr. Tessone said. “Our schedule is at
the mercy of the manager.”

With regards the healthcare, union officials
claim Starbucks only covers 42% of its workers,
less than the 47% that Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is
often criticized for.

The Logan Square employees are the first outside
of six Starbucks in New York City, which
organized on May 17, 2004, to join the IWW
Starbucks Workers Union.

“This is the first store [outside of New York],
but it isn’t going to be the last,” said Daniel
Gross, IWW organizer.

Mr. Tessone said he and others began organizing
earlier this summer despite his having worked
for Starbuck for two years.

“There is an extremely high turnover rate and
it’s very hard [to organize],” he said. “You
have to wait for a critical mass of workers.”

He said his group has not asked for a labor
contract but might push for one in the future.

“Our main goal now is to press the company in
making these changes,” said Mr. Tessone.

While the company does not recognize the union,
Mr. Gross, who claims he was fired in August by
Starbucks for labor organizing activity, said
the labor group has been able to pressure
Starbucks into raising wages at all New York
locations to $8.75 an hour from $7.75 an hour.
Mr. Gross said union members will conduct
through in-store demonstrations and pickets in
an attempt to get what it wants.

In March, Starbucks settled an unfair labor
practice charge the union filed with the
National Labor Relations Board, accusing the
company of violating federal law by creating a
national policy prohibiting workers from sharing
written union information or wearing buttons.

The company admitted no wrongdoing in its
settlement, but was forced to post at three
stores named in the complaint detailed notices
explaining workers' rights to organize. It also
offered two workers their jobs back and gave
three employees back pay totaling less than
$2,000.

(The Associated Press contributed to this story.)

More power to 'em.
Every working man and woman should unionize.

More power to 'em.
Every working man and woman should unionize.

uinions are such a moranic ideas in starbucks. if people aren't given enough hours they can go to another store to fill in for someone. with starbucks on every corner that shouldn't be hard.
the manager you work for will love you as he is saving on labor hours.

why is membership not disclosed by the union? is it because the whole iww is about 100 people and they have "unionized" 2 stores?
that shows the support from all the starbucks workers.

Fellow Worker,

I don't know if you work for starbucks or not. But if you have ever worked for a company that provides hours-based incentives, management will often times prevent one from reaching the benefit-mass of hours. And in the case of starbucks, ALL "partners" are part-time. This precarity undermines a working person's ability to support themselves without two or three jobs.

The IWW Starbucks Workers union is probably near 100, with at least 6 stores who have went public. The IWW itself has a much larger membership, which is constantly growing through organizing in many industries.

Lastly, it is never "moranic (sic)" for one to organize at their workplace. Capitalism does not offer up democracy with lattés anymore than it does with a hammer or a truck. By organizing industrially, in ALL industries, we are creating the new world in the shell of the old.

-FW Matt

Union drives work best when they get a substantial amount of community support. That means Starbucks customers, random people on the street, your friends and family, your co-workers, local community groups, and (most importantly) YOU.

There are only a few realistic things people can do when their work situation is crummy. They can (1) quit and find something better, (2a) stay and deal with the crumminess, (2b) stay and make a scene, thereby risking getting fired for flipping out, (2c) stay and have a heart-to-heart with the boss, or (2d) stay and organize.

Number 1 and 2a are what most people do. And that is why shitty jobs remain shitty. If they are always revolving doors and if workers are always too complacent or afraid to do something, then wages will always be low and conditions will always be ripe for exploitation.

If you stay and act out your grievances in front of your boss (like that scene in Office Space where Jennifer Aniston's character flips off her boss for complaining about her lack of "flair"), then you're gonna get fired (and that's pretty much the same as quitting). And if you just have a one-on-one with the boss, that might help YOU, but it won't necessarily help anyone else - in fact, this is what ALL bosses want you to do: just go to them if you have any problems. DO NOT talk about your grievances to your co-workers, because, hey, you're competing against them, remember? This is the boss's strategy to pit us against each other while ingratiating ourselves like little dogs to the boss.

If you're gonna try improving your lot, you'll have much better luck in the long run if you acknowledge that you and your co-workers are in the same boat, and it's much better to fight together. The concept behind the phrase "An injury to one is an injury to all" is a really powerful and life-changing concept when applied by people who organize together.

Ultimately, there's only so much intellectual debate one can engage in about this - this isn't an abstract intellectual issue, it's about real people with real lives. So, please, folks, if you care at all, make the effort. Go visit that Starbucks, say that you support the union, and spread the word!

The best idea to take action is definitely inform other starbucks workers about the campaign. How you can help out is best outlined at the starbucksunion.org website.

I have worked for starbucks many times. You don't get enough hours - call some stores or they call you and you go and work there. Your manager is happy since the hours you work go on the other manager's labor costs. You get the hours. I never had problems finding hours. I know people did but i think its lack of effort. Any starbucks in the loop always needed people.
The issue usually would be a dumb manager who got promoted for no reason what so ever.

Organizing starbucks is only symbolic. you can pretend you are down with the people who work there but most people I talked to don't care.
The union is too unconventional and doesn't have experience to fight for healthcare and other issues.
Guaranteed hours will mean that less people will be employed. And less flexibility.
And what if I don't want to be full time? Will I be paying dues? will i still have barganing power.
Compared to other jobs I had starbucks has been the best. I had a flexible schedule, could pick up shifts and get some sort of healthcare.

You picked starbucks to organize - easy since many students work there and you can be on the same page as they are idealistic and all.
Try organizing fast food workers. Talking about crap jobs. Working afterhours, unsafe hot oil conditions and other fun stuff.
The problem at starbucks now is incompetence not really the need for a union.

to sigh,

1. The IWW did not target Starbucks and choose to organize it. Workers in each of the 8 union stores came to the IWW and learned how to organize for themselves. The workers in each shop decide how they want to organize, what their demands will be, and what actions to take to ensure that demands are met.

2. Sure, there is the possibility of picking up shifts at other stores, but why should workers have to scramble to do that? We should not have to worry about calling store after store to get the hours we need. We should not have to travel halfway across the city to pick up a shift when we should be able to work in our home stores. Every customer of the Logan Square Starbucks knows that the location is terribly understaffed. Thus, not only the workers suffer from lack of hours, but customers have to deal with longer lines and slower service because their baristas are worn out.

3. As for dues… they are $6 a month. That’s one less Venti Frappuccino per month to ensure legal protection for a basic human right. We work extremely hard and we are demanding that our rights be respected.

4. If workers at a fast food restaurant want to organize their shops, they can. But no one is going to step in and do it for them.

5. We ARE down with the people who work there because we ARE the people who work there.

6. We aren’t demanding that Starbucks make every worker full time. We are demanding the OPTION for full time status and guaranteed minimum hours, what that number is should be entirely up to the worker. We shouldn’t have to work second jobs to survive, one should be enough.

7. You are right about the IWW being unconventional… but that’s a positive thing! The IWW is a volunteer, democratically run union. No one is forced to join. It is non-hierarchal and there are no paid organizers. As a matter of fact, we are all organizers! We are all leaders!

…and as for our organizing skill… the Wobblies have been around for 101 years. If there is anything we have it is experience...

Wow, I might start actually buying things from them and stop committing random acts of anti-gentrification against them. They'll probably also gain a lot of respect from people are against them.

Leviathan860,

Don't let workers joining a union fool you into thinking that Starbucks is a worker-friendly company that deserves your business. In fact, the company has fired 4 baristas in New York for organizing.

If you support the union, then go into that location and vocally let the workers know you support their efforts to organize and have union. If you are really feeling generous, drop a dollar in the tip jar without buying anything.

Any respect gained should be directed toward the workers and not the company. The company is staging a relentless anti-union campaign within its stores. At the same time, they are attempting to maintain an image in the public eye; one they cannot live up to in the workplace. The workers want Starbucks to be held accountable.

:)
FW

i just hope these baristas that are joining the union realize that starbucks dosn't have to offer health insurance to part-time workers, they dont have to give partners free stock, tuition grants for college, adoption assistance funding, free weekly markout of product, discount on merchandise, free beverages while working. These are all things they do because they want to!
show me a independent coffee house that can offer all that oh and a 401k matching program. join the union and risk all this going away the union cant promise you anything but taking your money for dues.
if they are such a good labor union why do they only have 1000 members world wide?????
i dont want to come across as anti union across the board. I do believe their is a time and a place for unions. Just not in my shop while im slinging coffee

To clarify, Starbucks does not give its workers "free stock." We have to pay for that, and on $7.50, while supporting ourselves, most of us cannot afford that. I've applied for the grants for college and was denied... and free drinks and a markout will not pay my rent at the end of the month. We aren't saying that independent coffee shops are any better or worse. We work at Starbucks. We want to improve our working conditions there. It is our legal right to collectively bargain and we are going to exercise that right.

i guess you have never checked your bean grant. its given every year at the end of the fiscal year and its FREE STOCK ! I have been given over $1000 dollars of free stock in the last 2 years. Stop bitchin and do some research on the company you work for! OH yeah you dont have to work here if you dont like it go try mcDonalds and tell me how great the benifits and pay is!

All those fancy things Starbucks gives are what we normal people like to call BRIBES. It's not given because Starbucks management are such kind-hearted souls - it's because it's actually a neat way to turn workers into obedient little consumers and to BUY loyalty (that is the cold, hard logic of market capitalism, of which Starbucks is a part).

It would make more sense, and it would be MUCH more beneficial, for workers to NOT be on a bullshit 401(k), a shitty stock option, and instead have a REAL benefits package.

There is NOTHING that is stopping Starbucks from pushing for universal single-payer healthcare, which is actually what the MAJORITY of Americans (in poll after poll after poll) actually want.

By organizing a union together, workers take it upon themselves to do this thing called MUTUAL AID and to actually build a culture and (oh, dare i say it) COMMUNITY based on (gasp!) SOLIDARITY, where people actually matter - it's not fake like the patronizing anti-union corporate worker's utopia that Starbucks and other cookie-cuter retail outlets offer.

When you organize with your fellow workers, you're not patronizingly called a "partner", or "associate", or "team member" but then treated like an expendable piece of human capital (again, that is the bottom-line logic of businesses like Starbucks). If Starbucks really truly wanted their workers to be "partners", then that means they would have co-ownership and EQUALITY.

Do they? Hell no. Don't believe the corporate hype. Join the IWW. Keep it real.

in terms of guaranteed hours - lets say you are store near college area. you want your manager to guarantee you hours in summer and fall and change nothing? Thats dumb policy for a retail business.
You will end up being overstaffed and unprofitable causing you to loose your job.

I loved the flexibility of starbucks. You can give a two week notice for time off. Ask other partners from other stores for you and look for shifts at busier stores while it was slow at my store.
Yeah IWW has been around for 100 years but it never had any appeal or membership.
And while you can claim that its great you are so unconventional, if your health insurance is taken away, your discounts, free coffee, and other stuff who in your so unconventional union will fight for those things? Will different stores have different stuff since you are all leaders but usually some leaders are more skilled then others.

You are opening a can of worms that you might not want to open. I used to work for starbucks and it provided me with what i needed. if i didn't like it, i could have done temping and made more money. the flexibility won me over. you are trying to get rid of that. and while some of you want careers, how about those who need to work a flexible schedule to make some extra money for school or their families? I know both kinds of people and it just didn't make sense to join a union.

"in terms of guaranteed hours - lets say you are store near college area. you want your manager to guarantee you hours in summer and fall and change nothing? Thats dumb policy for a retail business.
You will end up being overstaffed and unprofitable causing you to loose your job."

No, they could change the hours to be compatible with the workers that work there and that includes the parts of the year some people won't be able to work full time. Guaranteed hours means guaranteed for the people that want them.

"I loved the flexibility of starbucks. You can give a two week notice for time off. Ask other partners from other stores for you and look for shifts at busier stores while it was slow at my store."

Nothing changes that as far as I can tell. No one is stopping you from doing that. There will still be part-time workers. They just want the option for full-time hours for the people who need it. Starbucks makes hundreds of millions in profits and can easily provide that without seriously harming the rest of the workers. Besides, those part-timers that this could supposedly harm could join the union and demand they get what they need. See the benefits of organizing?
Unless you can provide an example of people being harmed, there isn't much further we can say.

"Yeah IWW has been around for 100 years but it never had any appeal or membership."

Really? Do some research. The IWW has had as many as 100,000 members at the height of past labor struggles. It also organized with other unions to win you rights that you enjoy today such as 8 hours work days and decent working conditions. It's current lack of membership is exactly in line with the fall of labor, in general. With action like this it can grow again to what it once was.

"And while you can claim that its great you are so unconventional, if your health insurance is taken away, your discounts, free coffee, and other stuff who in your so unconventional union will fight for those things? Will different stores have different stuff since you are all leaders but usually some leaders are more skilled then others."

If those things are taken away the only people that WILL fight for them would probably be the union. You're virtually powerless if you're alone.

A union would fight in solidarity for those benefits. If one store has them, the other unionized stores would be pushed to have them. Again, if you're by yourself you pretty much just have to take what you're given.

You should familiarize yourself with the history and importance of labor struggle before bad-mouthing it.

"You are opening a can of worms that you might not want to open. I used to work for starbucks and it provided me with what i needed. if i didn't like it, i could have done temping and made more money. the flexibility won me over. you are trying to get rid of that. and while some of you want careers, how about those who need to work a flexible schedule to make some extra money for school or their families? I know both kinds of people and it just didn't make sense to join a union."

That's a much larger issue about unionizing (or lack thereof) in the US. I don't work at Starbucks myself so I can't speak directly for its employees. I'm sure there is a way to work around these issues as there always have been in the past. Again, it was because of unionizing that you have the rights you do and it's because of anti-union rhetoric like yours that has helped destroy the quality of life people once had.

"in terms of guaranteed hours - lets say you are store near college area. you want your manager to guarantee you hours in summer and fall and change nothing? Thats dumb policy for a retail business.
You will end up being overstaffed and unprofitable causing you to loose your job."

No, they could change the hours to be compatible with the workers that work there and that includes the parts of the year some people won't be able to work full time. Guaranteed hours means guaranteed for the people that want them.

"I loved the flexibility of starbucks. You can give a two week notice for time off. Ask other partners from other stores for you and look for shifts at busier stores while it was slow at my store."

Nothing changes that as far as I can tell. No one is stopping you from doing that. There will still be part-time workers. They just want the option for full-time hours for the people who need it. Starbucks makes hundreds of millions in profits and can easily provide that without seriously harming the rest of the workers. Besides, those part-timers that this could supposedly harm could join the union and demand they get what they need. See the benefits of organizing?
Unless you can provide an example of people being harmed, there isn't much further we can say.

"Yeah IWW has been around for 100 years but it never had any appeal or membership."

Really? Do some research. The IWW has had as many as 100,000 members at the height of past labor struggles. It also organized with other unions to win you rights that you enjoy today such as 8 hours work days and decent working conditions. It's current lack of membership is exactly in line with the fall of labor, in general. With action like this it can grow again to what it once was.

"And while you can claim that its great you are so unconventional, if your health insurance is taken away, your discounts, free coffee, and other stuff who in your so unconventional union will fight for those things? Will different stores have different stuff since you are all leaders but usually some leaders are more skilled then others."

If those things are taken away the only people that WILL fight for them would probably be the union. You're virtually powerless if you're alone.

A union would fight in solidarity for those benefits. If one store has them, the other unionized stores would be pushed to have them. Again, if you're by yourself you pretty much just have to take what you're given.

You should familiarize yourself with the history and importance of labor struggle before bad-mouthing it.

"You are opening a can of worms that you might not want to open. I used to work for starbucks and it provided me with what i needed. if i didn't like it, i could have done temping and made more money. the flexibility won me over. you are trying to get rid of that. and while some of you want careers, how about those who need to work a flexible schedule to make some extra money for school or their families? I know both kinds of people and it just didn't make sense to join a union."

That's a much larger issue about unionizing (or lack thereof) in the US. I don't work at Starbucks myself so I can't speak directly for its employees. I'm sure there is a way to work around these issues as there always have been in the past. Again, it was because of unionizing that you have the rights you do and it's because of anti-union rhetoric like yours that has helped destroy the quality of life people once had.

Interesting debate here, I think.

Between 2nd Wave vs 3rd Wave workers (or industrial vs post-industrial) and the different priorities and value orientations.

The old IWW, of which I was once a member, with its OBU, was far-sighted among the 2nd Wave. But now, the IWW, and all unions for that matter, will have to find ways to adapt to the new work force of today and its concerns, or continue to fade.

Old dogmas won't do, folks. Time for some fresh ideas.

Good luck in any case.

We're not really in a post-industrial period. The dominant industries have just changed from manufacturing to service. Therefore, an industrial union approach is still relevant and useful. It definitely has to adapt in other ways, though, namely to the broader culture of total fucking apathy (or open hostility) amongst people who really should be natural allies.

'Service' covers a lot, TQ, from selling Doritos at 7/11 to repairing mainframe industrial servers.

I think Toffler defined the measure of the tipping point to the 'third wave' to be when a majority of jobs entailed the manipulation of symbols rather than the manipulation of things.

Whatever you want to call it, we're not in the heyday of industrialism anymore.

In any case, many of today's young workers are not interested in long-term job security and regular hours, so much as they want flextime, training programs, mobility of health care, access to credit, discounted buying plans

Lifelong learning through a path of multiple careers--this is the main thrust. As an OBU model, the IWW might be in the best position to do something like this, but whatever union does, it will have a better chances to grow.

And, naturally, everone wants better wages and safer conditions.

"in terms of guaranteed hours - lets say you are store near college area. you want your manager to guarantee you hours in summer and fall and change nothing? Thats dumb policy for a retail business.
You will end up being overstaffed and unprofitable causing you to loose your job."

No, they could change the hours to be compatible with the workers that work there and that includes the parts of the year some people won't be able to work full time. Guaranteed hours means guaranteed for the people that want them.

"I loved the flexibility of starbucks. You can give a two week notice for time off. Ask other partners from other stores for you and look for shifts at busier stores while it was slow at my store."

Nothing changes that as far as I can tell. No one is stopping you from doing that. There will still be part-time workers. They just want the option for full-time hours for the people who need it. Starbucks makes hundreds of millions in profits and can easily provide that without seriously harming the rest of the workers. Besides, those part-timers that this could supposedly harm could join the union and demand they get what they need. See the benefits of organizing?
Unless you can provide an example of people being harmed, there isn't much further we can say.

"Yeah IWW has been around for 100 years but it never had any appeal or membership."

Really? Do some research. The IWW has had as many as 100,000 members at the height of past labor struggles. It also organized with other unions to win you rights that you enjoy today such as 8 hours work days and decent working conditions. It's current lack of membership is exactly in line with the fall of labor, in general. With action like this it can grow again to what it once was.

"And while you can claim that its great you are so unconventional, if your health insurance is taken away, your discounts, free coffee, and other stuff who in your so unconventional union will fight for those things? Will different stores have different stuff since you are all leaders but usually some leaders are more skilled then others."

If those things are taken away the only people that WILL fight for them would probably be the union. You're virtually powerless if you're alone.

A union would fight in solidarity for those benefits. If one store has them, the other unionized stores would be pushed to have them. Again, if you're by yourself you pretty much just have to take what you're given.

You should familiarize yourself with the history and importance of labor struggle before bad-mouthing it.

"You are opening a can of worms that you might not want to open. I used to work for starbucks and it provided me with what i needed. if i didn't like it, i could have done temping and made more money. the flexibility won me over. you are trying to get rid of that. and while some of you want careers, how about those who need to work a flexible schedule to make some extra money for school or their families? I know both kinds of people and it just didn't make sense to join a union."

That's a much larger issue about unionizing (or lack thereof) in the US. I don't work at Starbucks myself so I can't speak directly for its employees. I'm sure there is a way to work around these issues as there always have been in the past. Again, it was because of unionizing that you have the rights you do and it's because of anti-union rhetoric like yours that has helped destroy the quality of life people once had.

Whooooops, sorry about that. Not sure how I managed to do that 3 times!

Oh, man. You know, if this were France, or Argentina, or any other country where the people aren't so brainwashed by either right-wing or capitalist ideology, then young people would actually be ready and willing to militantly confront any and all threats to working people.

But, this being America, it's like we're conditioned to WANT a race to the bottom and to only think in the short term.

But then again, the IWW is one of the fastest-growing unions in the country, so... I'm glad there are people out there who actually want to make an effort at being something other than a willing slave to the bottom line of corporate America. The naysayers can just sit on the sidelines or on the fence. Good riddance.

This is old hat. The whiners join the union, and a commie-front union at that. The first thing they do is issue "demands".

Honey, you just don't get by in the business world this way. Your little leftie nonsense may make sense at the ANSWER meetings, but this is a JOB.

Form a union. Who cares? Issue "demands". Who cares? Walk out. Who cares?

There are plenty more where you came from.

This is old hat. The whiners join the union, and a commie-front union at that. The first thing they do is issue "demands".

Honey, you just don't get by in the business world this way. Your little leftie nonsense may make sense at the ANSWER meetings, but this is a JOB.

Form a union. Who cares? Issue "demands". Who cares? Walk out. Who cares?

There are plenty more where you came from.

walk out and get another crappy job? Id rather just stay and make the one I have better.

Most "baristas" are actually quite talentless with a very low self-image. They have a job that is executable by any person with the ability to take orders. this is not to say that there is no danger in the position, but always remeber that a person makes their own decisision to become a "barista" rather than challenging themselves to become skilled at something beautiful or useful.

Hey, what do you know, what one poster said about cops also works for baristas!

Rather arrogant of you, Anon Poster

All the Starbucks workers I'm come across are talented and friendly. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but...

From age 16 to 18 I started life, after several years as a 'grease monkey' in my Dad's auto repair shop, I went to fast food, four different 'Big Boy' joint in Western PA in the late 1950s and 1960.. Started at .95 and hour and worked up to 1.35. Crap wages, but I needed it to build a nest egg for state college.

But the wage wasn't even the most important. I learned a lot more there that helped me later in life.

I learned to work as part of a team. That was probably critical workwise.

I learned to work with black and whites together, and how blacks were mistreated. Back then, they weren't allowed to cook or serve, only mop floors as 'porters'. I made friends with them, went to jazz clubs after work, which later propelled me into the civil rights struggle and freedom marches in the South.

I learned how waitresses and carhops suffered sexual harassment all around. Never gave a waitress a bad tip since.

I met my first gay people, made friends and got to understand things about them, and how society mistreated them. Also my first Jews and Greeks.

I learned that my managers, despite their perks, were just higher paid workers that took shit from the bigwigs who descended on us every three months or so.

I learned how to cook, and how to cook and clean up after yourself at the same time. I learned how to make strawberry pies and how to make cole slaw for 50 people in 5 minutes or less.

I learned how to make perfect pancakes, so I'd get the sunday morning shift and Saturday night off.

So walk in someones mocassins for a while before calling them 'talentless' with 'low self-esteem.'

So, yeah, it's not the best job or conditions to work in. I support the IWW's project and hope they find some creative solutions.

But no need to trash the workers, unless you what to be on the side of the bosses.

The recent episode of Labor Beat covered this union drive at Starbucks. Check out the video at video.google.com/videoplay

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