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Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

Honest Assessment of the Chicago Anti-War March

This assessment of the March 18th antiwar march is broken up into two sections. The first if s a recap of the march and a general criticism and the second part is what radicals should do to increase the militancy of marches so we don’t ever have to march behind floats that stop at streetlights and chant to the backs of heads, surrounded by riot cops. This critique is not for someone content with the fact we were led around like kids in a parade by riot cops. If the sad state of affairs continues we will more than likely end up with corporate sponsorships of the annual Iraqi war protest parade, with Whole Foods and Trader Joes having floats. M18 was the ultimate form of recuperation by the spectacle to use the terminology of situationism, most people actually convinced themselves that they were participating in resistance, instead of participating in perfectly acceptable spectrums of opinion. If the same liberals who called Bush a new Hitler or the war immoral are actually content to be marched around by the police for a few hours in a parade they are either too cowardly to attack Bush like they would attack fascist Germany, or their moral system is so weak that any mortal insult to one’s morals is tolerated, or they are just blatantly hypocritical since they defend other morals and the fight real Hitler with more vigor. This assessment’s second part will hopefully lead to a successful formula on how to coordinate actual resistance for the majority of the march that was radically oriented at some level (not necessarily openly anarchist of socialist) and ready to take action but couldn’t due to tactical and strategic constraints.

This analysis is going to start out at the Union Park rally and end with the march on Michigan Avenue. The beginning convergence at Union Park was a fun quasi festive atmosphere of protest. It was fun to hang out with friends, the Food Not Bombs table came through again with delicious meals and instead of the casual conversations about the weather and sports and the like one could hear heated political discussions being held all over the park. The stage provided good hip hop background music, and the music brigade was awesome as always with its brass and drum sections. The stage wasn’t the main focus of the Union Park convergence, most people were off hanging out with friends or engaging people with different political ideas. It was pretty much the same hundred people who listen to speakers at EVERY Chicago demo that were listening to the speakers on the Union Park stage. My friend and I had fun looking around for and trying to take a picture of the undercover agent who had asked a friend and then myself if we belonged to the anarchist contingent, what was going on that day and if we were planning a black block. Unfortunately she took off immediately after she talked to me and wasn’t seen the rest of the day. After awhile busses pulled up and the participants were advocated to board them from some speaker on the stage. Now I don’t know who paid for the busses or if they were graciously provided by the City of Chicago but it was a huge waste of money and allowed the City to politely contain the protestors. Meanwhile the anarcho’s and a few other radicals weren’t going to be bussed by the city to the demonstration zone and gathered near the Food Not Bombs table.

Once all the free drums were handed out and the banners put together we began a quick march that caught the cops off guard. We went pretty much where we wanted except for a token officer or two for a few blocks. Then a few cars pulled up and cops came out with batons and started ordering us onto the sidewalk (which we had to obey since we didn’t plan for any conflict even though we still vastly outnumbered the cops at this point. A few more attempts at autonomously determining the trajectory of the march were attempted and a few of them were successful until some police reinforcements came. We still doubled their number but they had a strong enough presence to lead our march to the general convergence. Once I realized it was hopeless to break away I left the leading banner and just went to the middle of our contingent. There was no strategy or even tactical knowledge in the march and we were effectively split in half most of the time between people who walked faster at the front and those at the back who didn’t really see the need of marching faster once the cops came to decide where we were going.

When we were unencumbered by the police presence and determining our own course the spirit was unparalleled compared to the rest of the day. The mood was also different as well, instead of boredom and weak spirited chants, people were engaged in resistance and passionately calling for the end of the war on life that Iraq is only a skirmish of. Anyone at the march knew that simply ignoring police commands wasn’t going to change the system itself but that it was still resistance at the most rudimentary level of being able to determine freedom of movement.

Once we finally were led to the convergence for the Michigan march people were confused and boredom started to set in so people just started heckling riot cops with run of the mill chants about taking off the police gear and that the rally was about peace and that the protestors were going to be “peaceful.” Luckily someone brought chalk so that provided entertainment for a good while along with the drum and dance circles. Predictably another stage with the same leftist circuit speakers was set up by World Can’t Wait. The only reason why more people were listening to the speeches this time than at Union Park was because space was limited so the only available space was in front of the stage. So while we were dancing and chalking up Oak street waiting for the permitted march on Michigan Avenue we were told by the police to clear the street. The reason became know a few minutes later as the march “organizers” came behind the cops telling everybody to clear the street for the FLOATS to come through.

This was the most embarrassing part of the march. I understand that people who made the floats dropped a lot of money and effort into the floats but seriously this IS ABOUT RESISTANCE NOT PARADES!!!! I was insulted that there was money left to rent vehicles to have the floats on. Seriously folks if there is time and money to build floats for the annual Iraq war demonstration we need to rethink our tactics. So we cleared the street because once again nobody came prepared to say no to the cops. Then the demonstration started being first led by a row of cops then the floats then the liberals’ banners then marchers. It was the most ridiculous spectacle I have ever seen.

I was again insulted when I saw the same liberals carrying signs about how Bush is another Hitler. Their hypocrisy was so blatant it made me cringe. How can you accept being told where to demonstrate, how can you fail to criticize the system that brought about Hitler, how can you fail to call for the system’s destruction that created Hitler, and how can you not arm yourselves and fight to bring down Hitler’s regime (Or use your body as the ultimate weapon in non-violent resistance that disables the system’s ability to function). I can understand why World War II veterans and Holocaust victims despise liberals who call Bush a new Hitler. They were on the front lines destroying Hitler’s regime with every once of being they had while people who think Bush is Hitler today are content to demonstrate once a year behind floats and yell dispassionate chants to the backs of other protestors heads. They need to seriously revise their theory to avoid being totally hypocritical or being to cowardly to go out and fight a neo-Hitler’s regime in the street.

My friend isn’t well versed in any politics but has experienced first hand both sides of the role of the police, from the perspective of the working class being kept down and seeing people thrown in jails for arbitrary reasons and their other role, keeping the system from imploding by arresting the antisocial abusive fathers and gangbangers churned out by the class system. She initially argued that the anarchists wanting to defy the police were just asking for trouble and that the protest was against the war. She didn’t want to have the message against the war distorted and have it turn into a bunch of arrests and a brawl with cops, since after all that happens every day outside of suburbia anyhow. However after experiencing what focusing on the single issue of the war lead to, mainly the boring repetitive chanting of the same suburbia she wasn’t apart of, she changed her mind. The limited freedom of the anarchist march was infinitely more fun and she thought that it got the point across that we were against the war and willing to actually stop it. Instead of dully chanting “The Constitution is the Law, Impeach Bush” to the back of someone’s head who is blindly following some lame float that stops at red lights the anarchist march presented a glimpse of an alternative with its limited reclaiming of the streets and adrenaline rushes as we briefly resisted the will of the city.

If the liberals can be criticized for their theory, then the anarcho’s and other radicals who want to reclaim the streets deserved just as much criticism for their lack of any tactics whatsoever. The outcome of being told what to do by police is inevitable unless we come with a strategy and a tactical outlook to do something about it. Sure the crowd outnumbered the police but nobody really wants to be part of the first few hundred arrested while breaking out of a line. I believe that there were a whole lot more radically thinking people at this march then the cautious anti-Bush people. They were hamstringed however by not having any plan to resist the police and city dictates. If there was a hundred or so determined and tactically well versed militants in the crowd to make a break we might have been able to march anywhere in the city.

If we would have tried to make a break during the protest however it would have only ended in police brutality and probably the arrest of any anarchist the police could get their hand on. Confronting the large officers at the front of the anarchist parade was a group of ardent yet physically small anarchists behind a few thin pvc supported banners. We just didn’t come prepared to do anything in terms of resistance. The conclusion to this article is going to be a few suggestions on how to increase the likelihood of successful militancy. I believe that militant protests do allow the participants to experience the resistance they preach and the can have an eureka effect on those who are the border of wanting to resistance. They also convey the message of whatever the cause is gilded on top of the resistance to the system that is the basis for militant protests much better than the march around in circles yelling lame chants theory of protests. They obviously aren’t the endgame of any revolution but they are a necessary stepping stone to allow people to confront the system enough to actually change it. Those who claim that radical militancy at demos doesn’t do squat are also usually the first to reserve any radical change to theory and are content to keep the revolution to listserves and myspace profiles.



PART II:

Suggestions on where to go from here:

It is patently obviously that some coordination of radical activity is needed if we are going to get anywhere in terms of resistance. Even from an anarchist perspective a city wide consulate that leads to a federation is necessary to coordinate activity. The basic tactical considerations that would enable a radical protest can’t be compromised by police infiltration. Giving mass workshops on locking arms and distribution of supplies of resistance to affinity groups can and must be coordinated at a city wide level and even if the cops have a plant somewhere in the organization they still can’t do anything about its actions. Planning specific intersections where marches will break off or where people will do lockdowns can be compromised but that should be left to the affinity groups. The key here is giving affinity groups the tools needed to resist.

Body armor and shields would be key for the front line of people that will lead a break away march. The acquisition of the material needed to make enough body protection and shields to arm the actual part of the breakaway along with numerous other decoy groups could be easily done by a city wide working group dedicated to it. The mass training of people who won’t have armor in other tactics such as locking arms or sitting or charging could be done through a few workshops. You would only need to train a decent sized group for the effect to ripple through the entire protest. An unfortunate quality of protest marches is that they happen to have a mob quality, but this could work to our advantage if played correctly. If a critical mass of trained organizers started locking up arms and following the front line of shielded people then there would be quite a large number of people going with and following.

The acquisition and distribution of body armor, shields, and things for workshops to train people on militant resistance can happen regardless of police infiltrators. The tactics can be planned by trusted working groups and can be decentralized. People who have training and materials to take action will be far more likely to organize and act in affinity groups then people who just listen to people preach on listserves and go back expecting something to happen at a protest. This kind of coordinated decentralized can be roughly applied to other situations as well and would definitely lead to organized resistance on other mediums other than simply demonstrations.

Personally I am going to work for a citywide group to help coordinate decentralized resistance. One final point that is necessary is that the group should not be affiliated with any ideology per se, other than revolutionary change. Labels at this stage of development can only hinder the development of a broad composition of militancy. Indeed it is an anarchist inspired organizational model but we don’t need to call it anarchist and conjure harbored prejudices. After all, this group would be a revived model of strategy that has not been associated with explicitly anarchist groups in Chicago at least since the Iraq War started. At the same time it is essential that it doesn’t advance some socialist leader or become another paper pushing group. Its focus should be on training and enabling people to actively resist and experience resistance at demonstrations. It should be composed of different affinity groups that already exist and be open for anyone who has a radical leaning. This is the effective expression of what affinity groups can accomplish, where yesterday’s march was the ineffective expression we have seen time and again.
 
 

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Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

I have to disagree with the other commenter. This 'assessment' gives me a little hope. I was disappointed at all the 'take the streets' chants yet almost everyone had deserted the plaza by 8.40. I was atleast hopeing for a group to lock arms and sit down. We need more thinkers like Abbey Hoffman. We need more action. Or, at the least, we need words that actually inspire people to find out the truth for themselves. Hell, I'd settle for some chants that people could actually hear/understand. instead of the paragraph long 'chants' that are more like lullabyes putting bystanders to sleep. people like action, people pay attention to action. hand someone a flyer with a picture they are more likely to read it than if you hand them a flyer with 11 pt font from top to bottom.
 

it was a great protest

the police were almost nice, I had a good time, although it was a little cold. the idea of starting a fight with the police or anyone else is just silly. I am against war, big(Iraq) or small(Michigan Ave.
 

Re: it was a great protest

Marching is a tactic, Like to March. So is fighting. There is a time for both. Without fighting, the slave republic Confederacy might have keep human chattel going for another 100 years.

Under the right circumstances, fighting the cops would be A-OK. First of all, we have to have the numbers, and a program that could pull some cops away from the repressive apparatus of the state.
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

As far as unity and love among anarchists we’ve got that covered. I felt nothing but love in the crowd. However, when it comes to strategizing we fall short. There was a problems with the speed of the March. Should we have gone faster? Should we have gone slower? Either way we needed to decide in a quicker manner than we did. The gaps that appeared in our march were ridiculous. I think we lack communication. But I definitely give props to the Rat Patrol for staying alongside us the whole time, suggesting that the march stop for everyone to catch up and what not. I’ve heard a lot of criticism since the end of the rally up till now. People who have a problem with the way things are flowing should step up and take the initiative to fix the problems they see, not wait for someone else to do it….we are anarchists after all, aren’t we? If you wanted better chants there’s a simple solution for that. Start up better chants. If you want to see better flyers….make them. If you want direct action…get an affinity group and carry out direct action. If you want a mass action move through the crowd and round up people for a mass action. I still love all of you fuckers though.
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

Nice job deleting a perfectly reasonable criticism, CIMC editors. Any chance you can bring it back?
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

The first criticism was not reasonable, it was juvenile. It was merely several paragraphs, lacking in vision, propped up on insults.

I think that such an organization is grealy needed. Until the day when the radical groups are strong enough to go their own ways effecitvly, we must all work together at times such as this to fight for something which would greatly benefit us all against a greater evil. I think that another important aspect to this all, however, is radical leaders. Now, I dont mean leaders expounding their own ideology, but merely people who can drum up the crowd and bolden the left. Imagine if the speakers during the ralleys had been radicals (with better sound systems). Imagine if during the march instead of hearing the liberal chants coming from the float the crowd heard militant chants and calls to action. I can only imagine what would have happened had the left had a well spoken radical at the end of the march; those 20,000 people all could have easily been convinced to wait out 9:00. Even the anarchists were gone by 9. But with the organization that you suggest, and in my opinion with good, powerful speakers as well, March 18th could have been much more than just another Chicago style protest.
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

This kind of assessment and debate is not new. It appears virtually every year within the direct action community, and sinks like a stone several weeks after every major demonstration in this town. It's become a ritual in its own right.

Three years ago, the debate raged around why Chicago anarchists and autonomists could not replicate the work of San Francisco's Direct Action Against the War and the decentralized direct actions - street blockades, lockdowns ect, that paraylized the heart of that city at the onset of the war. ( that formation has since evaporated in the Bay area -- unable to repeat the success of that first action ) Or why the direct action advocates here in Chicago have consistently failed to develop and sustain more than a handful of affinity groups willing to undertake that kind of tactical scenario and the organizing it requires. Perhaps the inability of direct action activists across the country to yet figure out how to counter the preemptive repressive measures and massive police mobilization enshrined in the Miami Model have something to do with this. (ironically, CodePink activists - as 'fluffy' as they might be - have had far more success in carrying out effective antiwar direct actions in Chicago without having to piggyback onto larger permitted protests - by using wickedly seditious humor, good planning and surprise.)

Few anarchists are willing to risk an arrest - or a head cracking - without any reasoned plan for effectively achieving a strategic goal that might be empowering and advance the struggle. Why in the hell should they --or anybody else do so? Which is why for all the macho posturing on Saturday eve at State and Walton, not one affinity group moved to try and break through cop lines. - or break out from Daley Plaza later that night.

Face it. Retreating into 'back in the day' romantic fantasies about Seattle, Quebec, the RNC - invoking Situationist nostalgia or living vicariously by surfing the Web for the latest riot porn video being generated in the streets of Paris this week won't get us any closer building the kind of real decentralized, autonomist network capable of both grassroots mobilization and creative direct action. Organizing militant direct actions are certainly necessary tasks for any antiwar and anti-imperialist movement seeking to raise the stakes and move from beyond protest to resistance. But confrontational direct action is only one tool in the box, not an end in itself- unless all you care about is the spectacle - and not the outcome. Pulling it off successfully requires a back to basics approach - including organizing our own direct action trainings, building new affinity groups, organizing spokescouncils, developing legal and jail support, fundraising, medical and logistical resources -- and remembering security culture. All hard work which we cannot expect the liberals to do for us. And it's useful to remember that during the FTAA protests in Quebec, the enormous popular support generated there for direct action was in large part the result of almost a year of patient community outreach.

M-18 this year - for all its warts - was what it was. One of the largest antiwar demonstrations in the US on the third anniversary of the war. Conventional, contained, permitted protest. Yet the floats and the performances of the All American Antiwar Band added a carnival of resistance flavor to the night -- something missing from earlier mass moblizations here. And no doubt the both the cops and the local apologists for the war were truly pissed that we were finally on the Mag Mile - three years after 800 people were arrested for trying to do the same
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

Well, I'm all for an honest assessment, but it seems to me that you're asking the wrong questions to get it rolling.

I think our turnout, while fine militancy-wise and much improved composition-wise, was still way too low. I don't care if other cities didn't do as well.

We have to work harder and smarter at this.

My main concern is to multiply our numbers in the streets by double, triple or even a factor of ten. That means for most of the newcomers, it will be their first action.

If you can convincingly show us how 'increased militancy' or 'resistance' is going get us there most effectively and quickly, then sign me up for your plan.

If you can't, then let's get some serious strategic and tactical thinking together that can.

But from someone who actually coined the term, 'from protest to resistance' back in the 1960s, along with '10 Days to shake the empire', and popularized the notions of 'exemplary action' and 'affinity groups' that went with it, I've been there and done that, and it's not all it's romanticized to be.

These notions have a role to play, but when all is said and done, they are not the main thing.

The main thing is building antiwar organization and activism at the base among people who don't agree with you, who are upset with the war, who are probably to the right of you politically on many other issues, but have yet to take action.

It's a big mistake for radicals to leave this task to liberals, while they give primacy to a quest for more militancy, but with shrinking or stagnant wider circles.

If you want to address this, great. Others will be doing so for sure...

I suggest helping out at 'Camp Bring'em Home' at Emanuel's office all this week or developing a project proposal or workshop for the statewide conference in Champaign April 1.

Go to anti-warmajority.org
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

world can't wait had nothing to do with organizing. the stage at state and walton was provided by and paid for by the m18 coalition and the floats were paid for by the groups that wanted to have floats.
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

Couple of points.

First, the buses were provided by the groups organizing the protest, so that elderly people, tired people, small children, and those wanting a break from standing or walking for eleven hours straight could get a break.

Second, while I know it's popular to dis the speakers at these rallies, people might have learned a bit from people like Akua Njeri, who was in the apartment when cops raided it and assassinated her companion Fred Hampton and Mark Clark of the Black Panther Party. She has some interesting ideas about what it will take to truly smash this state. Suzanne Adely of the Arab American Action Network gave a powerful speech about racism and repression that perfectly blended personal experience and the larger prevailing political dynamic in this country. Juan Torres spoke with the passion of an immigrant who is trying to use his activism as a way to make some sense and some good of his soldier son's death in Iraq. Etc.

Third, while I can certainly appreciate that some people are extremely frustrated at the robocop escort that inevitably materializes at these things, it seems a bit hypocritical to trash all those pathetic sheep people on Michigan Ave. when by your own admission -- when you "vastly outnumbered the cops" you were ... er ... compliant little sheep yourselves when you chose to surrender the street for the sidewalk on the walk from Union Park to Michigan Ave. What's up with that?

Fourth, the stage was not set up at Boul Mich by "The World Can't Wait." No. Nope. Sorry. Had people who believe they are anarchists who understand that anarchism is about organizing instead of being bossy little individualists actually attended a few of the ghastly coalition meetings that a number of the rest of us stomached for the last three months, they would know how the stages and speakers were organized. Hey, you could have had a speaker for your affinity group too if you'd bothered to ask. But why speak to people or with them or whatever when it's easier to snipe from the margins and shit down the workers' necks.

Fifth, if you were outraged at the strategy of the 'Festival of Rights' theme, floats and all, why did you come? It's not like the tone and tenor of this action wasn't widely revealed prior to the action. Why didn't you take tactical advantage of the fact that so many donut eaters were tied up darth vadering soccer moms and raging grannies downtown by making your more militant and revolutionary stand somewhere else, or by at least taking advantage of the concentration of coppers by robbing a bank the better to reappropriate the man's resources or something? Saturday's action was, is now, and will be forever 'splained exactly for what it is -- a strategic battle to win back the right to 'legally' exercise free speech in the form of anti-war sentiments on the city's richest street. Most of the people who marched are simply not ready to fling their children over the barricades and charge the police lines with their rakes and hoes. Sadly, many of these nice people do not own firearms and would not now consider actually using same on people, no matter how mean and facistic they may be. Perhaps you could start a study circle with them to bring them around. It was good that you were there serving as the vanguard of the truly revolutionary, because it reminds straight folks that you-all are nice people, too, or at least on the same page in a very very very broad and general sort of way. Or maybe instead of attacking the police (did you bring YOUR pistols?) you could just attack those stupid, lameass old folks and insipid middle-aged types who had the audacity to want to attend what they perceive to be a child-friendly peace action.

They're certainly soft targets compared to the coppers, and they're the ones you're really irritated at, no? Those soft liberal fuckers.

Sixth, please explain how marching anywhere in the city we want is a tactical advance of the antiwar movement, or the effort to smash capitalism generally? Sometimes direct action is both necessary and practical. Sometimes even when it is not practical it is necessary. Given the strategic aims of the action -- to bring anti-war speech back to Boul Mich for the bulk of people who are not yet willing to engage in direct action or risk arrest, and that is so what this action was about -- how would busting these particular police lines have strategically advanced the tactical goals on the line? This action was not Paris yesterday, which happens to be burning, thanks to a million militant students and workers who are causing the government major mischief in order to advance a strategic goal -- the deraillment of a hated work rule. Sectors often move in steps. This particular crew is at the place where they want to protest, but they do not want to have to mask up, put on body armor and bum rush the police lines. They're just not there. You are. Great. Organize that action. Don't pimp an action specifically not designed to do that. Know that you are certainly welcome -- and I speak to you as an individual here, because it's not like you've put this forward as a polemic for an organized vanguard or affinity group or anything, but just as your own personal crimethinkish opinion -- you are absolutely and most certainly welcome at events like this. You should be there with your banners, your militancy, your chalk, your street theater, your seditious chants, and your attitude. It's just not the place to pick a fight with the police. Did you bring your automatic weapons? No? Then settle down, stop throwing wolf tickets, and ask yourself what can be done to build a bigger, broader anarchist movement that is not constantly fracturing at the corners.

Seventh, I found your discussion of practical direct action strategies to be interesting. Those tactics have been used to no small effect from Seattle and Quebec to Prague and even Washington DC. Bear in mind that those engaging in direct action in those cities -- whether that direct action was explicitly 'non-violent' or involved mechanisms of structured physical resistance to police force -- tactical plans on the ground went to great pains to avoid entwining those actions with parallel actions like marches, rallies, pickets et al in which participants had NOT signed up for direct action. I just fucking hate it when soldiers use civilians as cannon fodder. We would do well as radicals not to do the same ourselves. And guess what? In well executed direct action, civilians will rally to support you. My favorite is the old woman pulling a wagon in Quebec City full of bricks and beer bottles of gasoline for the anarchists at the highway barrier battling the police. Old girl just got fed up and decided to back up the kids. Three days of teargas will do that to you.

Eighth, another poster pointed out that direct action organizing efforts have been undertaken here and elsewhere, and then appear to fizzle. Why? I submit the organizing piece needs work. Say what you will about the lack of militancy of the Saturday project, people did organize. They just didn't organize the kind of action you would have liked to have seen. Largely a series of interlocking core groups did the thankless, miserable terminally unacknowledged work that made it possible for thousands of people to march down a previously no-free-speech zone, which is what the vast majority of those folks wanted to do. Some groups that said they'd do stuff didn't, and that's extremely unfortunate because it undercut the diversity and likely also the militancy of the action. I would also point out that you'd be surprised how much positive influence you can have on everything from chants to structural organizing if you just show up and do some work. Really. I kid you not. Try it. You might find that you don't necessarily get your way simply because you want it, but you'll get heard, respected, and your ideas will be embraced if you're willing to back your shit up. Get to it.
 

What is tough talk without action?

Macho posturing. Sort of ironic coming from someone who claims to be "anti-authoritarian." It's not just Daleyites, Democrats and Republicans who can be hypocrites. Hello, is our movement so backwards that we're still taking the class on Sexism 101?

Am really sick of reading these posturing ex post facto criticisms of organizing efforts each year, this one so lazy and ill informed that it doesn't even bother to figure out who paid for the buses, yet launches a diatribe springing from that issue. If the poster had bothered to find that out, had bothered to be involved in organizing that day (rather than just showing up), s/he might also have found out that the tactical team for Saturday's demo (some of whom are still facing charges from last year's demo) was having a running shouting match with the police all day long over everything from where (if?) those buses would be allowed to pick people up to whether or not people could use the park's bathrooms to if we could have stage/sound at State & Walton. All while the police were carefully taping and taking notes on all of these confrontations in hopes of using them as evidence against the organizers later in court. Not exactly street fighting in Seattle, let alone barricades in Petrograd, but the kind of clashes that are necessary to win back some of the rights that have been taken away from us over the past few years. That's walking the walk.

The sad reality is that the balance of forces in Chicago right now is such that those who want to engage in more militant direct action are far outnumbered by the police, not to mention generally out-organized. In such situations most direct action is about as effective as the Polish cavalry's charge against German tanks at the start of WWII. And being effective, advancing your issues, is the name of the game, right? -- Or is it keeping oneself entertained, which is self-indulgent to say the least, not to mention a real insult to people like Juan Torres who are genuinely trying to advance their issues and who've paid a far higher price for this war than you or me.

When the other side has the numbers that we don't, direct action works only with careful planning and stealth -- a minimum of the bragging macho talk which just tips off the other side and is a magnet for spies and agent procateurs. Some recent examples include Chicago CodePINK's protest against Hillary Clinton (which helped put the kabosh on her coming out party for the '08 Prez race) or the Gay Liberation Network's banner drop from the roof of City Hall/County Building in favor of equal marriage rights.

It's all very fine to talk about "breaking out" from Daley Plaza Saturday night. You honestly don't think they were waiting (and hoping) for that? Why do you think they had the hundreds, if not thousands of green fliers printed up ordering a dispersal from the Plaza? Duh. Maybe said breakout would not only have had to deal with the publicly advertised 200 riot clad cops who ringed the march down Michigan, but also the hundreds waiting in the wings from juristictions as far away as Indiana, with lock-up buses on Lower Wacker Drive, etc. Talk about walking into a trap and playing right into the other side's hands. "Spontaneous" direct action in that circumstance is just utter stupidity.

Finally, as "redux" pointed out, direct actionists pimping off another group's legal action doesn't exactly win one future adherents to your cause. At any large legal action there will likely be people with legal issues already (immigration, parole, etc) who would pay a far higher price for a "spontaneous" confrontation with the cops than you or I would. Moreover, at this partricular demo the careful documentation that the police conducted of the earlier negotiations/shouting sessions was done precisely so that the organizers could be held legally and financially liable for any "trouble" that might come later. Believe me, making other people pay for your actions won't win you any friends and will set back the movement as a whole.
 

Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo

Bolshevik,

The last thing we need is Leftist leadership, especially of your stripe. Unless, of course, the leadership that you are talking about is propaganda of the deed--which I'm assuming it is not.

I hate to bring this example up, as it's one of the most often used, but I think it's nonetheless relevant, and that is Spain. I, for one, am not looking forward to the day that Communists, once again, will come around to shooting wounded Anarchists on the Barricades. We're not on the same side.

With that said, I hope that we will encourage more action next year, although the numbers of attendees has dwindled steadily since the first year of the war. :(
 

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The labeling of criticism of the rally as macho really only reveals the only basis for why you disagree: you want props and “radical recognition” for putting a lot of time and energy into another lame spectacle of non resistance. I think you mischaracterized the crowd; only a minority of the crowd was old ladies, small children and other people you deem totally incapable of resisting (Look at the elderly lady who tied herself to the logging truck in the Crimethinc movie). Most of the people were incensed enough about the war that if a situation where resistance was possible erupted they would have joined in. Does it really matter who paid for the busses or the floats? All we saw was the gigantic World Can’t Wait banners next to the floats and the stage, and after more than a few speakers started their spiel with chants (possibly the worst oratory device EVER) we got bored and went back to what we were doing (hakey sack, debating people, enjoying company and food).

As I emphasized in the article the Union Park convergence was fun! We should just have convergences like Union Park for people instead of lame disempowering marches that bore to death people not ideologically programmed to think that boredom = necessary sacrifice. Then we could work on having break away marches from the convergence.

Most criticisms have totally ignored the parts of the critique that it would have been stupid to attempt direct action under the circumstances of the march. I never questioned the guts of the radical protestors, but the tactics. Obviously there was no point to breaking out of the Iraqi Holiday Float Parade Sponsored by the March 18th Coalition. Some referenced other direct action experiments that have failed in Seattle, San Francisco and Quebec. From the critiques I have read about them from the antiauthoritarian perspective they didn’t really have too much relevance to what I was proposing.

I think I misplaced the emphasis on the long trotted out criticism of the permit route instead of the alternative (which seems to me to be completely ignored by the people commenting on the thread). A citywide coalition dedicated to direct action could easily lead workshops on demo militancy AS WELL AS lead workshops on tactics used by Chicago Pink. Chicago Pink’s tactics aren’t an opposing model to traditional militancy at protests but a necessary second punch.

Regardless of police infiltration a city wide coalition or collective could accomplish much that isn’t being accomplished by our dedicated liberal cadre of people paying for permits, floats, busses etc. Workshops could be given on the basics of non demo direct action, like banner dropping and the like. A few friends and I have been busted for trying to drop a banner before because we had no idea how to do it (crimethinc instructions aren’t the same as a workshop) Workshops on how to do a lockdown, or how to lock arms and other tactics at protests would provide valuable training and give people confidence they could actually resist police. Makeshift protection from batons for hundred or so people could be collected and training given on tactics on breaking out and taking a street (hell we could also give training on how to build the protection) Providing the actual tools to undertake direct action and the training to give confidence to people is something that has not been attempted in Chicago yet.

Radical spaces are popping up all over Chicagoland that could store the banners, shields, art work, direct action materials made by the coalition and also be places where the workshops could be held.

Workshops could literally be held anywhere, imagine if at the Union Park gathering a workshop was held on taking and holding a street. Otherwise static convergences could get new breaths of life through crazy and fun workshops designed to give confidence to those wanting to resist.

There’s no reason why the liberal created stereotype of crust punk youth activists would be the only ones involved in this organization either. Anyone and everyone should be encouraged to engage in it. The permitted march model of protest is boring and doesn’t draw new people into any movement, except a movement away from the march and towards home. A model of protest that was fun creative and had an element of actual liberation would be a much more likely candidate to getting people into the progressive scene. This new organization is hardly a pipe dream as a few of the organizers of the M18 coalition would like to believe. It could easily be done by maybe 40 committed individuals from different groups. There isn’t a shortage of people who would want to participate. In the next few weeks (maybe during downtime at BIO) we’ll plan a meeting and post it on the Chicago wire and turn theory into action.
 

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The march was a tremendous sucess.

The fact that we had permits broadened the base, and increased the numbers from last year. And the success of this march will increase turnout next year. There are many, many people who oppose the way, but simply will not take the risk of arrest.

We got what we wanted.

And the cops behaved themselves (relatively speaking.) There were no arrests. And, on Michigan, we weren't contained as were were in the past. The sidewalks were open to us in most places.

Those who came to oppose the war were mostly very happy with the event.

Those with other agendas were not all pleased with the result.
 

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Sounds like a lot of good ideas.

So why didn't you make them happen?
 

I have seen the mickey mouse parade...

...and it is us.
(There really were FLOATS!?)
 

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whoa buddy, slow down and cut up those sentences. your writing makes my head spin.

oh, and btw the way, it's a little hard to contemplate breaking a line of horse cops when you're short on sleep because you were up late and up early cooking enough food to feed hundreds.

hell, we were so tired we didn't even take full advantage of the line of completely unattended narc cars as we headed out of the loop.
 

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Mr. Situationist, you're right in certain assessments you made. Particularly about the fact that anti-authoritarians in this city need to better understand radical strategy and tactics. There has been some talk even prior to this weekend about a need for direct action trainings and hopefully it happens within the next few months.

Where I disagree with you is that you seem to think that it has to be one or the other. That we can't create a culture of resistance while more mainstream groups use more mainstream tactics. Embracing a diversity of tactics means that some people are going to use more symbolic and less confrontational tactics. That doesn't mean that we should necessarily criticize them for that, but it means that we should utilize direct action as a demonstration of what activism could look like in this city.
 

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Excellent point.

Diversity is a strength, not a weakness.

We will never be as organized as the opposition. So it's counter-productive even to imagine a scenario where we're all in agreement on tactics.

But they will never be as flexible as we are. And it's impossible for them to even to imagine a means of defeating a diversity of tactics.

There is no Royal Road to dissent, no one right way of doing things.

Our diversity is a strength, not a weakness.
 

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hmm. I won't make point-by-point comments on the assessment above, other than to say that I agree that direct action was lacking and is certainly always welcome as long as it doesn't make unwitting participants liable for a head-cracking.

As for my two cents, I thought it went off well considering the circumstances of its planning. Many groups were absent or nearly so from the planning process, and many did little or no work on the ground to promote the entire event, choosing instead only to promote their own speakers, feeder marches, or distribute their papers. This is nothing new. I think that the coalition did make an honest effort to be as inclusive as possible and did not seek to exclude any groups on the left or the right of the left. Direct Action was given a space in the process, and I don't know what became of it because I wasn't personally involved.

I think in general I would hope to see a bit more united front on the left in the future. No matter what type of rally or march is being planned, it takes a lot of work and a lot of discussion in order to maintain inclusivity, democratic decision-making, and to coordinate a successful action.

I think the author has legitimate political criticisms of the rally and march. I also think that much of this discussion would have been MUCH MORE USEFUL before the event, rather than after it. The planning process seemed to go more smoothly than in the past but was still far from perfect. I had major misgivings about some of the decisions that were made, and made my opinion known. Unfortunately I was out of town when Gutierrez was chosen to be invited, for example. We had agreed to invite speakers who shared our stated position of "troops home now", meaning not elsewhere in the ME waiting to strike against other peoples, and expressed a preference for folks who were active in organizing on the ground level. Most of the speakers were good and fit into these guidelines, some were fantastic (I thought), and a couple sucked. However, overall, I think it was decent.

I'd like to hear more discussion about what we can do better in the future, whether they be political arguments or tactical considerations. The point is not only to show (the majority) opposition to the war, but to encourage people to get out, organize themselves, and become more confident that we can build a future free of not only imperialist wars of aggression, but also free of racism, sexism, poverty, exploitation, environmental degradation, and corporate hegemony.

Sorry I sound like a hippy. I don't think it's a good time for us to be lobbing shitbombs at one another, so let's talk about how to move forward, eh?
 

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'Situationist' says:

'The permitted march model of protest is boring and doesn’t draw new people into any movement, except a movement away from the march and towards home.'

'Boring' to whom,'Mr. S'? Most people marching on Michigan M18 were having a great time. And, along, with the feeder marches earlier, new people were drawn in. I marched along a mother with two 14-year-old girls, at their first demo ever, and they were jumping up and down with excitment all the way down to the Plaza.

Then you say:

'A model of protest that was fun creative and had an element of actual liberation would be a much more likely candidate to getting people into the progressive scene.'

You know, anyone can make assertions about anything. But this is supposed to be 'assessment,' which means, in my book, a little seeking truth from facts. An assertion, along with a bus pass, will get you on the CTA.

If you're so certain about this, show us how its done, here, in this day and age. 1930s Spain is far away and long ago.

Here's what I think. I have a map on the wall here of some 120 Chicago neighborhoods. About 20 of them have some sort of 'neighbors for peace and justice' group. That leaves the remaining hundred. I suggest we work out a plan to grow neighborhood antiwar groups in all of them. It's called 'organizing,' as in the abolitionist movement, the suffregists, Joe Hill and the IWW, and so on.

If you want to see what's involved, what you're up against, go hang out with the Anti-War Majority folks at Irving Park and Hamlin for a few days this week. Get out of the hot house romanticism of your affinity groups and take a step into America. If you're serious about change, you're going to have to organize them, the great numbers opposed to the war but have yet to march, and who think it's a bit weird to see kids running around with masks on.

('Why are they doing that, one asked me, don't they realize that'll just attract the cops to them?' 'Naaawwh,' I said. 'They're just playing a kind of 'kids dressup,' having fun after watching movies about the Zapatistas in Mexico. Don't worry, unless there's a cop among them, I don't think they'll provoke a fight.' )

Here's a closing thought. The true test of militancy is not the shrillness of your slogans or glitter of your spectacle, but how many new organizations are built and how deep their roots go.
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to be 'anonymous' in the post above. Hit the button to soon.
 

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The key thing is that we need to build a MASS movement. Militant tactics, civil disobedience, etc. can play a role. Massive militant tactics only become really possible in the context of a MUCH larger mass movement.
The question is NOT what is "fun" for the participants!
As someone involved for many years in the anti-war movement during the Vietnam years, it became clear that when there were hundreds of thousands of people in the streets relatively routinely, it became much easier for there to be "breathing space" for thousands to get involved in more militant tactics.
The day WILL come when we are far stronger than the opposition.
Unfortunately, that day is not yet.
The question is how we get there.
One wishes there were an easy answer to that.
All too often, small groups that go off and commit kamikazee style militant actions simply get picked off, brutalized by the police, and thrown either into prison or into prolonged legal battles to stay out.
That being said, sometimes small groups of people taking a militant stand CAN have an energizing role, but only if their message is clear and understood.
We absolutely need to get to the point that the anti-war movement is everywhere--and we are certainly not there yet. There are, as Carl Davidson notes above, all too many neighborhoods, schools, etc. where there is actually no organized anti-war presence at all--even if the polls show that there is a lot of anti-war sentiment.
We need to organize that sentiment.
Everywhere.
In every neighborhood it can be done.
At every school it can be done.
And at LOTS of workplaces!
The sniping at various groups because you don't like their slogans, their speakers, or their tactics is unproductive. That doesn't mean we can't debate political philosophy, ultimate goals, etc.
But the "rhetoric" of comparing Bush (or more precisely, what the direction this country is heading in in general) unfortunately is not rhetoric but reality. It is the very seriousness of that, for us, and for the world, that makes it so urgent to try to systematically organize a mass movement, and to try to unite everyone who can be united against the principal enemy.
I'm glad there were between 7,000-14,000 at this demonstration. If we had as many people at this one as there were at the immigration rally here recently, we could more realistically be talking about more "militant" action on a massive scale, shutting down the city to demand that the war end, etc. We need to get there!
Bush and company ain't sitting still.
Will they attack Iran?
Will they help israel massacre the Palestinians when the third intifada begins?
How will we react?
Let's do the necessary organizing so that we're in more of a positon to do so massively.
 

left out a key word

sorry--left out two key words above: "to Hitler"
should have read:

But the "rhetoric" of comparing Bush (or more precisely, what the direction this country is heading in in general) to Hitler, unfortunately is not rhetoric but reality. It is the very seriousness of that, for us, and for the world, that makes it so urgent to try to systematically organize a mass movement, and to try to unite everyone who can be united against the principal enemy.
 

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Interesting thread. "Situationist" is right about one thing - reading Crimethync discriptions about the various skill sets that can be used in DA is a far cry from actually utilizing them, and integrating your experience into practice.

Let's take one example. - "Situationist" seems enamored of the use of body armor - made famous several years ago by the Wombles [ www.wombles.org.uk/ ] and others during previous clashes at WTO, G-8 and WEF summits - think Genoa, Evian, Davos, Gleneagles. ( most of the folks wearing body armor in Quebec were preemptively arrested by the cops well before reaching the fence perimeter. Folks wearing visable body armor or who were masked up in Miami were often detained by police the moment they were spotted - often miles away from the protest they were headed to.)

Situationist apparently didn't get the memo cautioning folks on the use of this tactic -- based on real protester experince with riot police tactics at these actions To wit: Homemade body armor helps when you face riot baton strikes, but becomes dangerous when you are faced with OC (oleoresin capsicum) and other chemical weapons -said agents coat your armor, which, depending on construction materials, relative absorbency and method you use to fasten them on, can soak through ( avoid duct tape ) encasing you in a saturated shell of pepper spray - and if not removed fast enough - hard to do when you're running - leaves your torso a nice sizzly lobster red.

Indeed, OC weapons -particularly the pressurized 'Seattle Soaker' [ www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_00-7_ch2-11.gif ] tank dispensers have a range of almost 20 meters and have over the years become the weapon of choice for the discerning robocop confronted with 'armored' Womble style massed surges against a police line. And yes, the local gendarmes have these, - they were on display three years ago at Chicago and Michigan on M-18, and earlier at the TABD protest.

But in really freezing weather, water cannons do as well, as European anti-globalization protesters at Davos found out.

(check Black Cross Health Collective's website for more details on OC )
 

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You make an excellent point.

Forget what happened in Seattle. The Seattle model relied on surprise. Once it was done, nobody is surprised any more.

They are wise to what was done in Seattle. The Miami model demonstrates that.

We will never have their resources.

We will never have their organization.

The only advantage we have over them is our ingenuity.

But continuing to follow the Seattle model is totally disingenuous.

Use your heads. Create something new. Quit following an out-dated and ineffective model.
 

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The aggressive tone of the post was a result of my utter despair with how boring the protests have gotten from the first breakout protests. I know my writing isolated a lot of people who have done a lot of good community organizing because they felt that the article purposefully ignored communities. The article wasn’t about the need to do counter recruiting in every mall and school cafeteria or about how workers need to be supported in organizing campaigns. It was about street demonstrations and how to more effectively coordinate direct actions in the public sphere. What exactly was the Seattle model anyways? The Seattle Model was primarily an ORGANIZED effort by groups to do direct action. Not surprisingly shit got done. Are radical protests totally out of the question and old hat now that every major city has a “contingency plan” based on an updated booklet about “violent activists”? Hardly.

Marching around in free speech pens has gotten old. Donating money to the Dennis Kucinich for the Peace Department has gotten old. But have radical street demonstrations gotten old? I hope not. Nobody could breakout of the mold at the parade because no one had the confidence too. I was recording my own distress at the liberals as well as at myself and my “radical” politicos who failed to organize. Direct Action isn’t dead and it isn’t a masturbation sequence to crimethinc videos. Direct Action trainings will be held and the tools to undertake them will be made and distributed. If not armor then shields to protect from batons that are hidden in the floats next year. Why not. Anything should be possible if we have an organization to start from. And I hope that’s what this post will get people thinking about… an actual radical organization to promote Direct Action.
 
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Actually Bush is a scumbag because he is a racist islamophobic puppet of the Zionists. Free Palestine!
 

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i find this discussion interesting but lacking in perspective.
everyone is looking to seattle, paris, etc etc without realizing that a successful march did take place in Chicago and attracted about 100,000 people and had the same route the the one on march18th.

Remember the immigrant rights march? People showed up with or without busses. Crowds were huge from union park to federal plaza. Immigrants of every stripe walked, drove, took the bus, rode bikes to this protest. There were no "green zones" or prescribed list of chants or anything else.
There was an idea, an urgency and many groups showed up.
and while i was stuck in traffic while thousands of marchers were going down Jackson, there was something different about them.
You see, they looked happy! They looked empowered. They didn't look bored. They didn't have drums or noise makers but their spirits seemed high and they were all excited to be marching.

So instead of looking at seattle, maybe an example of effective march is right here in the city. While they didn't have red flags and newspapers for sale, they organized a pretty awsome action.
Not matched by any other coalition ever.
 

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I'm with you, 'a', about learning from the immigrants march.

But you might find a few things you might not appreciate -- even if others do.

First, there were plenty of buses used, and trains, too. Metra and CTA.

Second, there were red flags and newspapers being sold there, too. It's just that the American and Mexican and Polish flags were way more numerous, which is also a good thing, at least for now.

Third, how about that speakers lineup? Featuring Luis and Da Mare? The Dems decided to jump on this one in a big way, which is fine by me, mixing left and liberals and even the center in a common front vs the right....And all those churches, too! Pretty 'mainstream,' don't ya think? Wish they'd do the same against the war, or at least with the same degree of mobilization.

Fourth, the Latino radio jocks, hammering away, for days. We got a few, like Cliff Kelly, who do this, but we gotta get some more.

But bored? Where were you on Michigan Ave? I didn't see a single bored face, but then maybe I missed the 'contingent of bored revolutionaries' and their float. All I saw were enthusiastic, empowered and upbeat people determined to stop the war.

Here's what I think.

First, the far right overreached on their new anti-immigrant bill. They made felons not just of immigrants, but ANYONE who even HELPS an immigrant in some way. When you add up all the citizens--of Polish, Irish, and Mexican ancestry--in this town who've done this, you've probably criminalized the majority of the population. Every Irish-American parishoner in Bridgeport knows a priest and a nun or two who've helped 'illegal' cousins from County Mayo or wherever, even if they haven't done it themselves.

So the lesson is: A just cause enjoys abundant support, and greater injustices aimed widely will build even more support, if the organizers know what to do. And in this case, the grassroots pro-immigrant organizers, and the immigrants themselves, knew exactly what to do.

A final note. You're entralled with spontaneity. I love the spontaneity of mass action, too. But it's one thing to appreciate it, but quite another to worship at its altar. Google "Lenin" and 'bowing to spontaneity' and 'worshiping spontaneity,' and dig into it to get a different take, even if it is a little boring.
 

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There aren't many Irish left in Bridgeport, but your basic point is completely valid.

It isn't just the priests and nuns who help the immigrants. You'd be hard-pressed to find an Irish person here who hasn't helped an immigrant.
 

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ah carl, putting words in my mouth. and i don't even know who you are really.

I am not enthralled with spontenuity or whatever. I know many people who were part of organizing the immigrant march and the march was not spontanuous. It took planning and action and reach out.

so you think that immigration issue affects more people so bigger turn out? thats bs.
iraq war is sucking billions out of everywhere - some obvious some not. social programs, social security etc all affecting tons of people.
for christ sake, you could even get some conservatives to march to end the war (however anonymously) since they don't want american money spend somewhere else. in addition to all the soldier's families and those who know them. Thats a lot of people!
and yet a pathetic, boring march.

and you didn't like the speakers? were they too mainstream? should the speakers have been calling for pointless resignations of random officials and then have one token minority instead?
at least now they could be held accountable for what they said and actually do something to make sure that the law doesn't pass.
that was the whole point remember carl? not to give appointed revolutionaries the stage, but to FIX SOMETHING!

and another observation - the immigration march worked because of it being genuine.
while there are some anti war folks who just want the killings to stop, they are drowned out by the

bring socialist revolution to iraq
bring the war home
nuclear weapons for north korea
buy this newspaper
join our organization

many people show up to these rallies with a superior attitude to "wake up the masses".
and you know what, the masses are awake, they just don't think your revolution is a good idea.
 

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Well, 'A' I guess I don't know what your gripe is. Everyone I talk to is very upbeat about M18, with all sorts of politics. Maybe I need a wider circle to talk to...

I had no problem with the speakers at either rally, and I don't think anyone was a 'token.'

And, yes, the war has an impact on even more people here than the immigration bill. But that wasn't the point. Rather, it was the nature of the threat. The war has not YET threatened to criminalize the majority of Chicagoans as felons for something they have already done, but the GOP's immigration bill has. I think that contributed, in part, to the larger turnout.

But really, these movements are natural allies, for the most part. That's what we need to be working on, not using one to trash the other.
 

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Next year 2 separate marches should be held. A peaceful orderly one with city permit for the masses on March 18, and a wilder one for the radicals on March 19. The March 18 rally will grow with yuppies each year as the war becomes more unpopular. Eventually lots our local politicians will join in and it will become mainstream with live TV coverage like the Festival of Lights parade. We need Disney style characters to get families to come. More advertising is needed such as ads in the Reader, Tribune and Suntimes. Chicago represents the midwest and soul of our country and can make sure Hillary brings our troops home in 2009.
 

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DeCriminalize.com

That was hilarious in a good way. Maybe we should try the Seattle model again, remember its only been tried once, BECAUSE IF MANY DIFFERENT GROUPS ORGANIZE DIRECT ACTION ON THE SAME DAY IN THE SAME CITY IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT SHIT GOT DONE. It would be nice if liberal groups would take part in direct action also instead of just watching a few anarchists get beat up by the cops and then going home to thier nice houses.

I think its true that people who just stand there and hold signs are partly to blame for this countries problems because they arent changing anything. To change policy you must do what the government really does not want you to do thats why they bring out so many riot cops in the first place.

You have to weaken the system before it collapses.
 

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But Seattle type action is exactly what Presidents Cheney & Rove want! It keeps the middle class too afraid to join us. It creates scarry propaganda to be used against the anti-war movement. The politicians would love for activists look bad. Then the anti-war anti-republicanism movement will not grow.
Two separate activities are the perfect way to accomplish both goals - Growing a legitimized movement on March 18 and growing an activists movement on March 19.
 

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I think both of you are yanking our chains.

But for those who want to think about it, if done well, it's not either-or but both-and.

It goes like this:

In nonrevolutionary conditions, the strategic orientation is the 'war of position', organizing to gather strength, and within that, a tactical orientation of 'war of manuver', periodic mass mobilazation and direct action to bring dynamic growth to the 'war of position.'

When a revolutionary upsurge takes place -- every 30 or 40 years or so -- than you shift gears radically, but if you haven't done the nonrevolutionary work beforehand, you're shit out of luck and often the right makes the greater gains in the upsurge.

Google 'Gramsci' 'Trong Chinh' and 'Mao Zedong' on strategy and tactics, if you want. But mainly, think in terms of the majority and use common sense.
 

Re: revolutionary tactics

i would hate to agree with carl for once. but most of the anarcho poseurs who are whining about m18 have no idea what organizing means. i also give mad props to redux.

luckily we have people who are anarchists or communist revolutionaries who do the dirty work : read boring or even sometimes futile organizing for months or years or DECADES in order to build a people's revolution. i can't wait to see all the crusty anarchists of last week dressed up in suits next year because the coke binge of revolution only lasted until they were 17
 
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