Well, I'm not surprised, 'Marty', to see you and other IMCers join LBOs 'Depress The Vote 2008' campaign, though I don't think you'll do very well.
Just why you or Henwood think this is the left or radical thing to do in this period is beyond me. Just using a lot of cynicism to avoid Sartre's 'Dirty Hands' choice is my guess.
Pittsburgh just had its antiwar rally--not modeled on Chicago Oct 27, more along your lines, but the 25 anarchists looked very cool with their body paint, masks, black clothes and flags. About 500 others on a nice day, about 100 with Obama buttons, which I talked to. So another one is not in the cards. About 22,000 did turn out for Obama at Penn State, though, cheering all his best lines on the war.
No, I'll throw your challenge back at you. How about CIMC going over to Trinty this Sunday and read Henwood's LBO piece, then telling people they shouldn't vote for Obama. Or try to get the Rev. Wright to support your 'Don't Vote for Obama' line.
You're not saying not to vote for Obama? You might do it yourself come election day? If so, what's the deal? You're in our camp, just in the shamefaced contingent cheating us out of dues.
In Chicago, though, you have a partial out if McKinney gets on the ballot. No such luck here and in some other states, though. If you go this route, you still face the task of whether you sneak into the polls by yourself, or get lots of antiwar people to go with you, whether their for McKinney or not. That would be cool, and you can even read Henwood to them all day. Most will still figure out what to do.
As for our website, I'd say it's not bad for six days, and there's a lot more going on on the ground. Read Thorn Dreyer's stuff from The Rag in Texas, or today's piece on their battle in the caucuses, and Thorn's a day-one P4O member. Now there's some folks with anarchist roots who managed to gain some politics over the years.
Here's a news flash, Carl. Some of us were just at Trinity UCC and present at St. Sabena when Jeremiah Wright returned to receive a hero's welcome from these congregations. And had the opportunity to talk extensively with parishioners there. And you know what? Affirming the right wing's criticisms of Wright's sermons and announcing that he would leave Trinity if Wright didn't retire produced more than a considerable amount of anger toward your candidate and sense of real betrayal from a fair number of his co-congregationalists. In fact, I think Cynthia M. would be pretty well received there these days.
Nice try at the switch, but my point was how far did you get claiming Barack was a warmonger and no one should vote for him because of it? What's more, did you jack up the Rev Wright for meeting with warmongers, from Clinton to Obama, even telling folks to vote for the later, and spill some fake blood on his carpets?
I doubt you did any such thing, or even remotely close to it.
I'll tell you right now that there's no doubt Cynthia would be well received, for the simple reasons that's she's unbowed and a Black woman running for President. But I also have no doubt as to whom the vast majority there will give their vote to. Easy enough to find out - Come November get the nearby precinct results.
Time to jump off McCain's 'Depress the Progressive Vote' bandwagon and come to your senses, at least those of you that have any sense.
Re: Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Right
01 Apr 2008
Date Edited: 01 Apr 2008 09:38:40 AM
Just why you or Henwood think this is the left or radical thing to do in this period is beyond me. Just using a lot of cynicism to avoid Sartre's 'Dirty Hands' choice is my guess.
Pittsburgh just had its antiwar rally--not modeled on Chicago Oct 27, more along your lines, but the 25 anarchists looked very cool with their body paint, masks, black clothes and flags. About 500 others on a nice day, about 100 with Obama buttons, which I talked to. So another one is not in the cards. About 22,000 did turn out for Obama at Penn State, though, cheering all his best lines on the war.
No, I'll throw your challenge back at you. How about CIMC going over to Trinty this Sunday and read Henwood's LBO piece, then telling people they shouldn't vote for Obama. Or try to get the Rev. Wright to support your 'Don't Vote for Obama' line.
You're not saying not to vote for Obama? You might do it yourself come election day? If so, what's the deal? You're in our camp, just in the shamefaced contingent cheating us out of dues.
In Chicago, though, you have a partial out if McKinney gets on the ballot. No such luck here and in some other states, though. If you go this route, you still face the task of whether you sneak into the polls by yourself, or get lots of antiwar people to go with you, whether their for McKinney or not. That would be cool, and you can even read Henwood to them all day. Most will still figure out what to do.
As for our website, I'd say it's not bad for six days, and there's a lot more going on on the ground. Read Thorn Dreyer's stuff from The Rag in Texas, or today's piece on their battle in the caucuses, and Thorn's a day-one P4O member. Now there's some folks with anarchist roots who managed to gain some politics over the years.
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Re: Re: Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Right
02 Apr 2008
Re: Re: Re: Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Right
02 Apr 2008
You don't know how happy we are the Right that Wright is around. Look forward to our ads in a few months.
Re: Re: Re: Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Right
02 Apr 2008
I doubt you did any such thing, or even remotely close to it.
I'll tell you right now that there's no doubt Cynthia would be well received, for the simple reasons that's she's unbowed and a Black woman running for President. But I also have no doubt as to whom the vast majority there will give their vote to. Easy enough to find out - Come November get the nearby precinct results.
Time to jump off McCain's 'Depress the Progressive Vote' bandwagon and come to your senses, at least those of you that have any sense.