don't you think that if that were an option this would be over and done with right now? and carl,
a)you didn't support this, you shit on it the minute it happened
b)none of us care what you think
c)we don't all follow your organizing paradigm, so "making friends" isn't necessarily the goal of this action, i can say that this has gotten more press throughout the country than any of the marches you've organized. it's not shocking now that you're saying that you supported now that it's gotten this kind of coverage, since that's exactly what you did on the LSD takeover and the anarchists taking the streets on the 2nd (or 3rd?) anniversary. anything that's successful will get bad coverage from state-controlled media, which is exactly what we're dealing with here. but i think that this action has brought the war home in terms of discourse and confrontation with power, which i think is better than what most marches and even da has done in the past two years at least.
For someone who doesn't care what I think, '@', you've certainly got a few things to say about it, LOL
My quarrel at the start was with Bob Schwartz referring to the Cardinal as 'Boy Georgie,' a term likely to be perceiving as an anti-Catholic insult. I said the action was OK, but likely to produce mixed results. Go back and read it if you like. I posted a supportive piece to the religion writer at the Trib, but who knows what she did with it. As for the LSD event, I have know idea what you're talking about, since I supported and took part in the whole thing, but managed not to get caught up in the bust at the end, as did most others.
But one of these days, hopefully not too far away, you'll lighten up on your street fixation and the notion that you have to take on all your adversaries at once, and start to learn to think politically and strategically. Then, if there's some poetic justice in the universe, your little brother will get in your face about what a right wing creep you are, LOL!!!
Carl wrote: "for the LSD event, I have know idea what you're talking about"
Actually, Carl, you do know what's being talked about, so please don't evade it. For the response to the 2003 Iraq invasion, in place of the Fed Plaza demo and subsequent LSD march, you promoted an alternative event for the same time -- gathering at 1st Methodist Temple. The next day, Katz, et al. presumed to negotiate on our behalf with the City re: the next day's follow up demo. Don't re-write history. Many of us who organized both the 1st night's and 2nd night's events were not pleased with Katz's and your activities, esp as we spent the intervening time in jail.
That's just crap. You're fighting straw men here, probably because you don't want to deal with realities. Our indoor event back then dovetailed the rally and march to LSD, and supported it. How else did I take part in the whole thing, as well as many of our activists, too? Just go back to the record on our listserve and web site, and see for yourself. It's all there. We have real differences over real things; argue about them, but don't make stuff up.
Re: TODAY: Vigil to End the War and Drop the Charges!
27 Mar 2008
Date Edited: 27 Mar 2008 01:37:18 PM
a)you didn't support this, you shit on it the minute it happened
b)none of us care what you think
c)we don't all follow your organizing paradigm, so "making friends" isn't necessarily the goal of this action, i can say that this has gotten more press throughout the country than any of the marches you've organized. it's not shocking now that you're saying that you supported now that it's gotten this kind of coverage, since that's exactly what you did on the LSD takeover and the anarchists taking the streets on the 2nd (or 3rd?) anniversary. anything that's successful will get bad coverage from state-controlled media, which is exactly what we're dealing with here. but i think that this action has brought the war home in terms of discourse and confrontation with power, which i think is better than what most marches and even da has done in the past two years at least.
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Re: Re: TODAY: Vigil to End the War and Drop the Charges!
27 Mar 2008
My quarrel at the start was with Bob Schwartz referring to the Cardinal as 'Boy Georgie,' a term likely to be perceiving as an anti-Catholic insult. I said the action was OK, but likely to produce mixed results. Go back and read it if you like. I posted a supportive piece to the religion writer at the Trib, but who knows what she did with it. As for the LSD event, I have know idea what you're talking about, since I supported and took part in the whole thing, but managed not to get caught up in the bust at the end, as did most others.
But one of these days, hopefully not too far away, you'll lighten up on your street fixation and the notion that you have to take on all your adversaries at once, and start to learn to think politically and strategically. Then, if there's some poetic justice in the universe, your little brother will get in your face about what a right wing creep you are, LOL!!!
Re: Re: TODAY: Vigil to End the War and Drop the Charges!
27 Mar 2008
Actually, Carl, you do know what's being talked about, so please don't evade it. For the response to the 2003 Iraq invasion, in place of the Fed Plaza demo and subsequent LSD march, you promoted an alternative event for the same time -- gathering at 1st Methodist Temple. The next day, Katz, et al. presumed to negotiate on our behalf with the City re: the next day's follow up demo. Don't re-write history. Many of us who organized both the 1st night's and 2nd night's events were not pleased with Katz's and your activities, esp as we spent the intervening time in jail.
Re: Re: Re: TODAY: Vigil to End the War and Drop the Charges!
30 Mar 2008