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I understand that. So what it might boil down to is the depth and amount of the damage. But still, why lobby for the charges to be dropped? I am not a lawyer, but can they plead no contest? The videotapes of the incident will show without a shadow of a doubt that the act was committed, and hopefully an impartial judge will have the common sense to assess the damage fairly. I know, you can argue that the court system is not fair, the police/government is corrupt, but that still does not excuse a person/individual from accepting responsibility for what they've done. Also, I'm sure some/a lot of the reporting of the incident in all media is distorted, but when it comes down to it, if the individuals were to offer to pay for the damage, I would like to think that the offer would be accepted. Sometimes "criminal" acts are prosecuted by the state, not the "victim", in this case the church. Does the church even have a say as to whether or not the charges could be dropped? Maybe I am naive to continue to think that if you can't admit/accept responsibility for something that you've done, you shouldn't have done it. I have done things in my life that I am not exactly proud of in hindsight, but I can't remember a time when I didn't stand my ground and accept responsibility for the things I did, which has resulted in me losing jobs, friends, money and opportunities. We all have lessons to learn, and for better or worse, the time has come for the Holy Name 6.
 
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Re: Re: In addition,

none of the defendants has refused to take responsibility, but as you point out, responsibility would be repairing the actual damage done... at most, $3000 of carpet replacement.

felony charges for a carpet stain is not about responsibility; it's about intimidating activists into stepping down just when we most need to step up.

though i cannot presume to speak for the six, i think they would quite happily take the opportunity to repair the actual, physical damage done, even if that meant scrubbing out the alleged food coloring with toothbrushes.

and then, i hope, they would go and do it all again. and this time, keep the stage blood *off* the carpet.
 

Re: Re: Re: In addition,

Let's wait to see what the defendants have to say at their arraignment. If a "not guilty" plea comes from any one of their mouths, I will have lost a lot of faith in them and their dedication to their cause.

In my opinion, a true activist does not back down to intimidation or threats. If that were the case, where would we be without the courage of Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr., Aung San Syu Kyi et al? They all took stands, received punishments and carried on. Let's hope these kids do the same. They are all young, and have a lot to learn.

As for them doing it again, let's hope they or anyone else, comes up with an idea that will make people think, not just make them angry. I honestly believe that the 6 had good intentions, but their act did not have the effect that they intended.
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: In addition,

Well, if the charge is criminal defacement, a felony, they'd be right to plea "not guilty".

Obviously this act didn't end up how it was intended to. Regardless, it stirred up discussion in the activist/anti-war movement, and that's what we needed. Thank you Ephran, Ryne, Mercedes, Donte, Angela, and Regan!
 
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