"hey, while you're at it, if you can me a mosque that's behind the war in iraq, i'll be there with whole buckets of fake blood. "

point taken and thank you for debate.

my rant was that staging this type of protest inside a religious service is stupid and alienates us even more.

and i bet you many synagogues have no problem with the situation in the middle east and in iraq, when will you be doing that same direct action in one of them?

you wouldnt and you couldnt.

and the government is the one in charge of the war, lets do the same protest today at the 6's hearing to raise the pressure and keep the media focus.

you wouldnt and you couldnt.

The Catholic Church is far from "behind the war in Iraq". In fact, the pope (whom, for the record, I can't stand and hate to give any credit to) was one of the first religious leaders to speak out against the war, and has been consistent from the start. At least get your facts straight.

By the reasoning of these protestors, anyone who meets with anyone who supports the war is "behind the war"... isn't isolationism (i.e. refusing to meet with people like Saddam Hussein and instead imposing sanctions that killed thousands) what got us into this mess to begin with? Shouldn't we be ENCOURAGING people who support our anti-war position to meet with W and impress that upon him? I just don't understand the reasoning.

Finally, it is incredibly disrespectful to interrupt religious services, period. There is a time for disrespect and civil disobedience, but I don't think during religious services of a denomination that supports your position is it. If this was a mosque or a synagogue or a temple, it would be a hate crime.