these unions are ment to keep these jobe in the hands of white rich kids who have this as a side job as they go through collage. the rest of us will be shut out.
I am not a rich white kid, and i support unions. My mother - also not a rich white person - is in one, as well as many other hard-working people I know, some of whom ARE upper-middle-class white kids, and they ALL benefit from their unions (even if their union is corrupt like my mom's, it's still better than NOT having one and being totally at the mercy of the market and the boss's whim).<p>
I went to college, and unlike you, i can actually spell college (incidentally, something you don't need to go to college to be able to do). I'm not dumb or cynical enough to believe that the IWW (or any union organizing in the retail industry) is for privileged people. They are for anyone who works for a boss and wants to improve conditions at their job site and/or in their industry.<p>
Also - <b>if you ever go into a Starbucks, you will notice that THEIR OWN EMPLOYMENT ADS gloriously (and rather expensively) advertize how you can have a CAREER (their word) at Starbucks</b>, NOT just some yuppie temp job to make extra money. Take the time to actually read one of those posters, and talk to one of their managers. Also, next time Starbucks has an employment fair, talk to what they say about careers. Or, you can read some of the empty cliches on their website:<p>
<i>"At Starbucks, you’ll find a commitment to excellence among our partners; an emphasis on respect in how we treat our customers and each other; and a dedication to social responsibility."</i><p>
"Commitment to excellence" is probably the single biggest corporate cliche you can find. Secondly, the experience of the NYC Starbucks Union is anything but being treated respectfully - Starbucks has broken federal labor laws and has been called out successfully for that. As for social responsibility - it's all a marketing ploy, just like everything else.<p>
Why would you accept an economy that runs on precarity and lies? Have you no standards?
I am not a rich white kid, and i support unions. My mother - also not a rich white person - is in one, as well as many other hard-working people I know, some of whom ARE upper-middle-class white kids, and they ALL benefit from their unions (even if their union is corrupt like my mom's, it's still better than NOT having one and being totally at the mercy of the market and the boss's whim).
I went to college, and unlike you, i can actually spell college (incidentally, something you don't need to go to college to be able to do). I'm not dumb or cynical enough to believe that the IWW (or any union organizing in the retail industry) is for privileged people. They are for anyone who works for a boss and wants to improve conditions at their job site and/or in their industry.
Also - if you ever go into a Starbucks, you will notice that THEIR OWN EMPLOYMENT ADS gloriously (and rather expensively) advertize how you can have a CAREER (their word) at Starbucks, NOT just some yuppie temp job to make extra money. Take the time to actually read one of those posters, and talk to one of their managers. Also, next time Starbucks has an employment fair, talk to what they say about careers. Or, you can read some of the empty cliches on their website:
"At Starbucks, you’ll find a commitment to excellence among our partners; an emphasis on respect in how we treat our customers and each other; and a dedication to social responsibility."
"Commitment to excellence" is probably the single biggest corporate cliche you can find. Secondly, the experience of the NYC Starbucks Union is anything but being treated respectfully - Starbucks has broken federal labor laws and has been called out successfully for that. As for social responsibility - it's all a marketing ploy, just like everything else.
Why would you accept an economy that runs on precarity and lies? Have you no standards?
Re: Starbucks workers add shot of unionizing - Historic local group works for whites only!
06 Sep 2006
Date Edited: 06 Sep 2006 02:39:02 AM
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Re: Re: Starbucks workers add shot of unionizing - Historic local group works for whites only!
08 Sep 2006
I went to college, and unlike you, i can actually spell college (incidentally, something you don't need to go to college to be able to do). I'm not dumb or cynical enough to believe that the IWW (or any union organizing in the retail industry) is for privileged people. They are for anyone who works for a boss and wants to improve conditions at their job site and/or in their industry.<p>
Also - <b>if you ever go into a Starbucks, you will notice that THEIR OWN EMPLOYMENT ADS gloriously (and rather expensively) advertize how you can have a CAREER (their word) at Starbucks</b>, NOT just some yuppie temp job to make extra money. Take the time to actually read one of those posters, and talk to one of their managers. Also, next time Starbucks has an employment fair, talk to what they say about careers. Or, you can read some of the empty cliches on their website:<p>
<i>"At Starbucks, you’ll find a commitment to excellence among our partners; an emphasis on respect in how we treat our customers and each other; and a dedication to social responsibility."</i><p>
"Commitment to excellence" is probably the single biggest corporate cliche you can find. Secondly, the experience of the NYC Starbucks Union is anything but being treated respectfully - Starbucks has broken federal labor laws and has been called out successfully for that. As for social responsibility - it's all a marketing ploy, just like everything else.<p>
Why would you accept an economy that runs on precarity and lies? Have you no standards?
Re: Re: Starbucks workers add shot of unionizing - Historic local group works for whites only!
08 Sep 2006
I went to college, and unlike you, i can actually spell college (incidentally, something you don't need to go to college to be able to do). I'm not dumb or cynical enough to believe that the IWW (or any union organizing in the retail industry) is for privileged people. They are for anyone who works for a boss and wants to improve conditions at their job site and/or in their industry.
Also - if you ever go into a Starbucks, you will notice that THEIR OWN EMPLOYMENT ADS gloriously (and rather expensively) advertize how you can have a CAREER (their word) at Starbucks, NOT just some yuppie temp job to make extra money. Take the time to actually read one of those posters, and talk to one of their managers. Also, next time Starbucks has an employment fair, talk to what they say about careers. Or, you can read some of the empty cliches on their website:
"At Starbucks, you’ll find a commitment to excellence among our partners; an emphasis on respect in how we treat our customers and each other; and a dedication to social responsibility."
"Commitment to excellence" is probably the single biggest corporate cliche you can find. Secondly, the experience of the NYC Starbucks Union is anything but being treated respectfully - Starbucks has broken federal labor laws and has been called out successfully for that. As for social responsibility - it's all a marketing ploy, just like everything else.
Why would you accept an economy that runs on precarity and lies? Have you no standards?