Well, 'Sez Who,' if you really what to calculate the average hourly value created by 'Big Box' workers, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out -- if they give you some accurate numbers and not 'cooked books.'
But I'd be willing to make a friendly wager that it's quite a bit more than the $10 rate plus $3 benefits being asked for.
Otherwise, how does an outfit like Costco, which pays an average hourly wage over $15, plus a decent health package, and a union to boot, survive and thrive? Yet they still make more average profit per employee than their Walmart rival Sam's club, precisely because when you have better pay and working conditions, you get more workforce stability and productivity.
No, I think you'd do a lot better to talk to actual business people about economic matters like this than to simply repeat crap from right-wing talk radio.
It's not profits vs loss that's the issue here.
It's longterm profits plus sustainability vs shortterm 'superprofits' plus 'race to the bottom' policies.
That's what the fight's about--and you're rooting for the destructive, unsustainable side of it.
Hi Carl,
Thanks for the condescending rant. I infer you have not received the benefit of a high school education in economics nor have you managed any part of a business.
I actually do know the hourly output of various service workers in the United States by specific region. Much of that research was included in my PhD defense in economics. I also examined Costco, which has an admirable CEO and business model.
If you had any business experience, aside from trashing the local Starbucks windows, you might know that workers usually seek the best opportunity available to them. For example, if Costco is always a better workplace, every Walmart and Target employee would seek a position there. To compete, the "big-boxes" would raise wages. One of those two is not happening.
Do you even know what right-wing means? It is a historical reference to tyrants like Hitler and Mussolini, who were very strong advocates of government controlled business. I, on the other hand, oppose government tyranny and the form of fascism you endorse.
A business operates to make a profit. I know this is a difficult concept for you. You work at some dead-end job to get a paycheck, and I know you wouldn't give up any wage for the "common good." Nor should any business.
If a business like Walmart is not sustainable, it will vanish, yet here it is.
Re: Living Wage Big Box Ordinance Passes in Chicago Over Fierce Corporate Opposition
13 Aug 2006
Date Edited: 13 Aug 2006 02:05:41 PM
But I'd be willing to make a friendly wager that it's quite a bit more than the $10 rate plus $3 benefits being asked for.
Otherwise, how does an outfit like Costco, which pays an average hourly wage over $15, plus a decent health package, and a union to boot, survive and thrive? Yet they still make more average profit per employee than their Walmart rival Sam's club, precisely because when you have better pay and working conditions, you get more workforce stability and productivity.
No, I think you'd do a lot better to talk to actual business people about economic matters like this than to simply repeat crap from right-wing talk radio.
It's not profits vs loss that's the issue here.
It's longterm profits plus sustainability vs shortterm 'superprofits' plus 'race to the bottom' policies.
That's what the fight's about--and you're rooting for the destructive, unsustainable side of it.
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Re: Re: Living Wage Big Box Ordinance Passes in Chicago Over Fierce Corporate Opposition
17 Aug 2006
Thanks for the condescending rant. I infer you have not received the benefit of a high school education in economics nor have you managed any part of a business.
I actually do know the hourly output of various service workers in the United States by specific region. Much of that research was included in my PhD defense in economics. I also examined Costco, which has an admirable CEO and business model.
If you had any business experience, aside from trashing the local Starbucks windows, you might know that workers usually seek the best opportunity available to them. For example, if Costco is always a better workplace, every Walmart and Target employee would seek a position there. To compete, the "big-boxes" would raise wages. One of those two is not happening.
Do you even know what right-wing means? It is a historical reference to tyrants like Hitler and Mussolini, who were very strong advocates of government controlled business. I, on the other hand, oppose government tyranny and the form of fascism you endorse.
A business operates to make a profit. I know this is a difficult concept for you. You work at some dead-end job to get a paycheck, and I know you wouldn't give up any wage for the "common good." Nor should any business.
If a business like Walmart is not sustainable, it will vanish, yet here it is.