Regardless of your statistics Andy, queer is a legitamite description of ones sexual expression and by not recognizing that you are spitting in the faces of all the people that do describe themselves that way... and as for the NGLTF and it's surveys... im sure they really went really far to find their statistics, like the capitalist pride parade or the everyone wear all designer clothes and prance around with perfect hair or we will outcast you market days.
No, Captain Queero, they're not my statistics, they're those of NINE BLACK LGBT organizations and the NGLTF.
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"queer is a legitamite (sic) description of ones (sic) sexual expression and by not recognizing that you are spitting in the faces of all the people that do describe themselves that way"
Where, pray tell, did I say the "queer" label was not "legitimate"? As an anarchist, I thought you would think such considerations were irrelevant. What I did say was that the vast majority of LGBT people reject the "queer" label in favor of the very label, "gay," which you attack as illegitimate.
Speaking from myself, I take great offense at anyone other than other LGBT people calling me "queer," as it is popularly understood to be a term of abuse, which is why the really nasty bigots like Fred Phelps et al make a point of calling us "queers" and "faggots," not unlike how Klansmen make sure to refer to African Americans by using the n- word.
You never hear the more "respectable" bigots, like Peter LaBarbera, referring to us as "queers," as he knows that using such slurs would help label him in the public mind as a bigot. LaBarbera, the Washington Times, Focus on the Family and other respectable bigots also refuse to use the term "gay," as they see that as a positive reference to us, preferring instead to use the term "homosexuals," a term which was rapidly rejected following the Stonewall Rebellion in 1969.
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"as for the NGLTF and it's surveys... im sure they really went really far to find their statistics, like the capitalist pride parade or the everyone wear all designer clothes and prance around with perfect hair or we will outcast you market days."
Here you deride the NGLTF for not going "really far" to find its sampling, but then you're too lazy yourself to go on the web to see how "far" they actually went. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Here's the URL for the survey: www.thetaskforce.org/reslibrary/list.cfm
If you bother to go there you'll find out that NO, they didn't go to "capitalist pride parades" or "market days" to get their info. All of the surveys were taken at Black Pride events held in major cities around the country. If you've ever been to any of them (I've been to Chicago's a few times), you would note that they're about 99% African American in attendance and a far cry from the corporate feel of Lakeview's Pride Parade and Market Days. They're overwhelmingly working class, and nary a Jewel shopping cart in site. If you go look up the study you'll also find that one of its five co-authors is one Cathy Cohen, one of the most respected voices in Chicago's Black Lesbian community.
It's very easy sit behind a keyboard and lob rhetorical bombs at other groups and individuals, Captain Queero. It's another thing to take the time to back up our arguments with some thought and a little research. If we're going to make any headway in this town against the true "evil doers," I'd suggest we concentrate much more on doing the latter rather than the former.
Re: "Ultimate Warrior" shows need to remove hate speech platform
06 Apr 2006
Date Edited: 06 Apr 2006 06:12:24 PM
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Reply to Captain Queero
07 Apr 2006
"Regardless of your statistics Andy"
No, Captain Queero, they're not my statistics, they're those of NINE BLACK LGBT organizations and the NGLTF.
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"queer is a legitamite (sic) description of ones (sic) sexual expression and by not recognizing that you are spitting in the faces of all the people that do describe themselves that way"
Where, pray tell, did I say the "queer" label was not "legitimate"? As an anarchist, I thought you would think such considerations were irrelevant. What I did say was that the vast majority of LGBT people reject the "queer" label in favor of the very label, "gay," which you attack as illegitimate.
Speaking from myself, I take great offense at anyone other than other LGBT people calling me "queer," as it is popularly understood to be a term of abuse, which is why the really nasty bigots like Fred Phelps et al make a point of calling us "queers" and "faggots," not unlike how Klansmen make sure to refer to African Americans by using the n- word.
You never hear the more "respectable" bigots, like Peter LaBarbera, referring to us as "queers," as he knows that using such slurs would help label him in the public mind as a bigot. LaBarbera, the Washington Times, Focus on the Family and other respectable bigots also refuse to use the term "gay," as they see that as a positive reference to us, preferring instead to use the term "homosexuals," a term which was rapidly rejected following the Stonewall Rebellion in 1969.
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"as for the NGLTF and it's surveys... im sure they really went really far to find their statistics, like the capitalist pride parade or the everyone wear all designer clothes and prance around with perfect hair or we will outcast you market days."
Here you deride the NGLTF for not going "really far" to find its sampling, but then you're too lazy yourself to go on the web to see how "far" they actually went. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Here's the URL for the survey: www.thetaskforce.org/reslibrary/list.cfm
If you bother to go there you'll find out that NO, they didn't go to "capitalist pride parades" or "market days" to get their info. All of the surveys were taken at Black Pride events held in major cities around the country. If you've ever been to any of them (I've been to Chicago's a few times), you would note that they're about 99% African American in attendance and a far cry from the corporate feel of Lakeview's Pride Parade and Market Days. They're overwhelmingly working class, and nary a Jewel shopping cart in site. If you go look up the study you'll also find that one of its five co-authors is one Cathy Cohen, one of the most respected voices in Chicago's Black Lesbian community.
It's very easy sit behind a keyboard and lob rhetorical bombs at other groups and individuals, Captain Queero. It's another thing to take the time to back up our arguments with some thought and a little research. If we're going to make any headway in this town against the true "evil doers," I'd suggest we concentrate much more on doing the latter rather than the former.