ah carl, putting words in my mouth. and i don't even know who you are really.

I am not enthralled with spontenuity or whatever. I know many people who were part of organizing the immigrant march and the march was not spontanuous. It took planning and action and reach out.

so you think that immigration issue affects more people so bigger turn out? thats bs.
iraq war is sucking billions out of everywhere - some obvious some not. social programs, social security etc all affecting tons of people.
for christ sake, you could even get some conservatives to march to end the war (however anonymously) since they don't want american money spend somewhere else. in addition to all the soldier's families and those who know them. Thats a lot of people!
and yet a pathetic, boring march.

and you didn't like the speakers? were they too mainstream? should the speakers have been calling for pointless resignations of random officials and then have one token minority instead?
at least now they could be held accountable for what they said and actually do something to make sure that the law doesn't pass.
that was the whole point remember carl? not to give appointed revolutionaries the stage, but to FIX SOMETHING!

and another observation - the immigration march worked because of it being genuine.
while there are some anti war folks who just want the killings to stop, they are drowned out by the

bring socialist revolution to iraq
bring the war home
nuclear weapons for north korea
buy this newspaper
join our organization

many people show up to these rallies with a superior attitude to "wake up the masses".
and you know what, the masses are awake, they just don't think your revolution is a good idea.