Interesting thread. "Situationist" is right about one thing - reading Crimethync discriptions about the various skill sets that can be used in DA is a far cry from actually utilizing them, and integrating your experience into practice.
Let's take one example. - "Situationist" seems enamored of the use of body armor - made famous several years ago by the Wombles [ www.wombles.org.uk/ ] and others during previous clashes at WTO, G-8 and WEF summits - think Genoa, Evian, Davos, Gleneagles. ( most of the folks wearing body armor in Quebec were preemptively arrested by the cops well before reaching the fence perimeter. Folks wearing visable body armor or who were masked up in Miami were often detained by police the moment they were spotted - often miles away from the protest they were headed to.)
Situationist apparently didn't get the memo cautioning folks on the use of this tactic -- based on real protester experince with riot police tactics at these actions To wit: Homemade body armor helps when you face riot baton strikes, but becomes dangerous when you are faced with OC (oleoresin capsicum) and other chemical weapons -said agents coat your armor, which, depending on construction materials, relative absorbency and method you use to fasten them on, can soak through ( avoid duct tape ) encasing you in a saturated shell of pepper spray - and if not removed fast enough - hard to do when you're running - leaves your torso a nice sizzly lobster red.
Indeed, OC weapons -particularly the pressurized 'Seattle Soaker' [ www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_00-7_ch2-11.gif ] tank dispensers have a range of almost 20 meters and have over the years become the weapon of choice for the discerning robocop confronted with 'armored' Womble style massed surges against a police line. And yes, the local gendarmes have these, - they were on display three years ago at Chicago and Michigan on M-18, and earlier at the TABD protest.
But in really freezing weather, water cannons do as well, as European anti-globalization protesters at Davos found out.
(check Black Cross Health Collective's website for more details on OC )
The aggressive tone of the post was a result of my utter despair with how boring the protests have gotten from the first breakout protests. I know my writing isolated a lot of people who have done a lot of good community organizing because they felt that the article purposefully ignored communities. The article wasn’t about the need to do counter recruiting in every mall and school cafeteria or about how workers need to be supported in organizing campaigns. It was about street demonstrations and how to more effectively coordinate direct actions in the public sphere. What exactly was the Seattle model anyways? The Seattle Model was primarily an ORGANIZED effort by groups to do direct action. Not surprisingly shit got done. Are radical protests totally out of the question and old hat now that every major city has a “contingency plan” based on an updated booklet about “violent activists”? Hardly.
Marching around in free speech pens has gotten old. Donating money to the Dennis Kucinich for the Peace Department has gotten old. But have radical street demonstrations gotten old? I hope not. Nobody could breakout of the mold at the parade because no one had the confidence too. I was recording my own distress at the liberals as well as at myself and my “radical” politicos who failed to organize. Direct Action isn’t dead and it isn’t a masturbation sequence to crimethinc videos. Direct Action trainings will be held and the tools to undertake them will be made and distributed. If not armor then shields to protect from batons that are hidden in the floats next year. Why not. Anything should be possible if we have an organization to start from. And I hope that’s what this post will get people thinking about… an actual radical organization to promote Direct Action.
Well, my problem with the criticism is that there is an awful lot of talk about how to succeed with direct action, but very little direct action by some of the people who do the talking.
I know people who do direct action, quite successfully, I might add.
But they would never even consider doing such things at a demonstration full of people who want nothing to do with direct action -- that's counterproductive. It just alienates allies, and supresses turnout at their events.
Hey, half the cops in town were downtown on M18. That presented quite an opportunity for direct action elsewhere. Why didn't you take that opportunity to do your direct action then, somewhere else?
My problem with people who gripe about the lack of direct action on M18 is that absolutely nothing prevented them from proceeding with any actions they had planned. They're just griping that everyone else didn't want to participate. That's not a valid criticism. That's sour grapes.
I do very much appreciate the restraint of those who were inclined to do direct action at the M18 coalition events. They respected the overwhelming choice of the people who participated, and that's the right thing to do. I really respect their commitment to solidarity.
But nothing prevented you, Mrsituationist, from doing anything you wanted to do anywhere else.
It's not the fault fo the M18 coaltion that you didn't do direct action on M18. You have only yourself to blame.
Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo
21 Mar 2006
Date Edited: 21 Mar 2006 01:46:25 AM
Let's take one example. - "Situationist" seems enamored of the use of body armor - made famous several years ago by the Wombles [ www.wombles.org.uk/ ] and others during previous clashes at WTO, G-8 and WEF summits - think Genoa, Evian, Davos, Gleneagles. ( most of the folks wearing body armor in Quebec were preemptively arrested by the cops well before reaching the fence perimeter. Folks wearing visable body armor or who were masked up in Miami were often detained by police the moment they were spotted - often miles away from the protest they were headed to.)
Situationist apparently didn't get the memo cautioning folks on the use of this tactic -- based on real protester experince with riot police tactics at these actions To wit: Homemade body armor helps when you face riot baton strikes, but becomes dangerous when you are faced with OC (oleoresin capsicum) and other chemical weapons -said agents coat your armor, which, depending on construction materials, relative absorbency and method you use to fasten them on, can soak through ( avoid duct tape ) encasing you in a saturated shell of pepper spray - and if not removed fast enough - hard to do when you're running - leaves your torso a nice sizzly lobster red.
Indeed, OC weapons -particularly the pressurized 'Seattle Soaker' [ www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_00-7_ch2-11.gif ] tank dispensers have a range of almost 20 meters and have over the years become the weapon of choice for the discerning robocop confronted with 'armored' Womble style massed surges against a police line. And yes, the local gendarmes have these, - they were on display three years ago at Chicago and Michigan on M-18, and earlier at the TABD protest.
But in really freezing weather, water cannons do as well, as European anti-globalization protesters at Davos found out.
(check Black Cross Health Collective's website for more details on OC )
Comments
Re: Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo
21 Mar 2006
Forget what happened in Seattle. The Seattle model relied on surprise. Once it was done, nobody is surprised any more.
They are wise to what was done in Seattle. The Miami model demonstrates that.
We will never have their resources.
We will never have their organization.
The only advantage we have over them is our ingenuity.
But continuing to follow the Seattle model is totally disingenuous.
Use your heads. Create something new. Quit following an out-dated and ineffective model.
Re: Re: Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo
21 Mar 2006
Marching around in free speech pens has gotten old. Donating money to the Dennis Kucinich for the Peace Department has gotten old. But have radical street demonstrations gotten old? I hope not. Nobody could breakout of the mold at the parade because no one had the confidence too. I was recording my own distress at the liberals as well as at myself and my “radical” politicos who failed to organize. Direct Action isn’t dead and it isn’t a masturbation sequence to crimethinc videos. Direct Action trainings will be held and the tools to undertake them will be made and distributed. If not armor then shields to protect from batons that are hidden in the floats next year. Why not. Anything should be possible if we have an organization to start from. And I hope that’s what this post will get people thinking about… an actual radical organization to promote Direct Action.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Honest Assessment of M18 Demo
22 Mar 2006
I know people who do direct action, quite successfully, I might add.
But they would never even consider doing such things at a demonstration full of people who want nothing to do with direct action -- that's counterproductive. It just alienates allies, and supresses turnout at their events.
Hey, half the cops in town were downtown on M18. That presented quite an opportunity for direct action elsewhere. Why didn't you take that opportunity to do your direct action then, somewhere else?
My problem with people who gripe about the lack of direct action on M18 is that absolutely nothing prevented them from proceeding with any actions they had planned. They're just griping that everyone else didn't want to participate. That's not a valid criticism. That's sour grapes.
I do very much appreciate the restraint of those who were inclined to do direct action at the M18 coalition events. They respected the overwhelming choice of the people who participated, and that's the right thing to do. I really respect their commitment to solidarity.
But nothing prevented you, Mrsituationist, from doing anything you wanted to do anywhere else.
It's not the fault fo the M18 coaltion that you didn't do direct action on M18. You have only yourself to blame.