JJ, I think one of the important things you neglected to discuss in regraads to Hostel and Wolf Creek, as well as other recent movies such as SAW (1 and 2) is that these a movies that glorify torture. It becomes torture porn. Does the Country that gave the world Abu Ghraib really need crap like this being dumped into our collective consciouness? What kind of effect will movies like this have on the teens who sign up for the military? On the future police officers of America? On the future politicians and judges and lawyers.